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You usually start threads with titles that don't even match the news stories you are referring to, trying not to look blatantly bogoted. You then hope it will start some major stirrings on the board, and then you conveniently piss off :thumb:
Anything to do with Boglins? Mmm... Rubber Fetish Toys.
Not that I'm going to feel at all bad that the man is gone, piece of scum that he was.
I'm assuming you never met the man, so you're just thinking what you've been manipulated to think.
There is no difference between you and a supporter of the death penalty based on what you said here.
:rolleyes:
Google?
I'd say that targetted assassinations are executions.........
This incident suggests that Israel has quite a lot to learn about the concept of justice imho
Targeting the military leaders of an enemy during conflict is acceptable under the ‘laws of war’, Israel is certainly not the only civilised country to have done it. Israel is acting in accordance with international law; there is nothing illegal about targeting and killing an enemy combatant that hasn’t surrendered. Targeting specific terrorist leaders actively involved in planning and coordinating bloodshed and terrorist attacks saves the lives of innocent people. I’d also suggest you distinguish between a civilian and a military context. Oh and learn how to distinguish between a civil and a military context.
Bollocks.
You claimed the moral highground for Israel and you barefaced lied when you said that Israel has only ever executed one man.
You do realise that you've just justified suicide bombings, don't you?
Not the topic of this thread.
Start a new one if you want to talk about the middle east, this thread was about an organised death penalty as part of the due process of law.
No difference you say? There is no difference between not being upset that a bad person is gone, and supporting state sponsored murder? I'm glad that Stalin died too, does that make me a supporter of the death penalty as well?
Do you know something that the BBC doesn't?
If the outcome makes you happy, then you share responsibility for the cause, or is that a bit too difficult for youy to work out?
What a crock of shit.
Indeed - imagine there being any link between the following two statements.
I am against the death penalty.
However I am glad they killed Tookie Williams.
You linked pleasure at the end result with participation in it. I don't know what you wanted to say, but this is what you actually did.
And guess what -
It's still a crock of shit.
You can tell a lot about a country's freedom by the way it treats its prisoners.
Has a nice list for you to look at Walkindude.
From turning away Jewish peple during WW2 to arming saddam in the first place, aong with all the various invasions (chile, nicaragua.....actually it might be easier to list those places they haven't been yet...) and self serving trade "agreements".
Whatever - if you take pleasure from the execution of a man in your name, then you ARE complicit in it.
As Satre wrote in his preface to "The Wretched of the Earth".
The state exists with our complicity - it carries out it deeds with our complicity - and for so long as we provide that complicity, we are complicit in everything that it does.
Saying I disapprove of the states excesses but I'm glad that was done makes you more culpable than someone who abhors the death penalty and will never approve of the act - never mind how awful they think the executee was.
No, your not. If a John gets pushed over by Bill in the street and I find it funny, did I cause him to fall over?
No. So you are talking crap.
If Bill is in the same book club as I am, does that mutual association have anything to do with Bill pushing John?
No. So you are talking crap.
Gonna have to stop you there FTP, because it doesn't. No more than God, the easter bunny, or santa claus exist. No more than Mcdonalds, Hogwarts, or London exist.
I thought this guy was suppose to be a thinker? More like a fuckwit.
But, I will say, countries are fictional distinctions that cannot be sensed in any way, and therefore only exist inside the mind. Any conclusion that is drawn from such a belief must be false, because it starts from false premises.
There is no link between you and other people, you are an entirely seperate organism, like it or not, want it or not, believe it or not. One man has killed another, his excuses for doing so and his motivations for doing so, while real to him, mean nothing to me. All that's happened in factual reality (a place I am doomed to live) is one man has stopped another breathing.
No, it doesn't. Your emotional reaction to the actions of others aren't part of what they are doing, whether you liked it or not. "States" can't kill anything, they are fictional beings. One man can kill another, and come up with excuses for having done so. You can claim all day that you have some link with other humans. You never do.
ah yes - well for those that believe the state, London and McDonalds do exist, the thinking will be different.
Just as it would be for those who believe that god exists, the bible is the word of god and so forth. Totally wrong of course, but in politics, the key thing is to be believed, not to be accurate.
So, it's a belief and not a fact, and like all beliefs, anything built upon those foundations falls when those foundations are removed.
Indeed - but I remain fairly convinced of the existence of McShite, London and the state.
I walk past a McDonalds frequently, live in London and have had some pretty negative experiences with the state.
No worries mate, the inability to differentiate between symbols and reality is amazingly common. Trust me, I know.
You think you do, which at this level of belief is the same thing.
Except you don't - grab an aerial view sometime and be amazed at the lack of any boundary lines in the real world. You could call it anything you like, as long as enough people went along with you and treated it as real, you'd be fine.
Nah, you haven't, I bet you have had some nasty experiences with some individual men and women who acted as if there was a state. It would help you greatly when dealing them if you remember they are just fanatic believers in something.
Anyway, I walked past a santa's grotto this morning, does that mean a jocular fat man is going to magically fly around the world delivering presents later this month?
Convinces kids though.
"Can I have a return to Kinkebania please?" always draws a blank at railway stations ime
How rather true.
Iran is no doubt happy when some Jihadist from a palestinian group blows himself up in Israel.
Iran has nothing to do with it...
The same way some one can be pro-death and pro-life (anti-execution).
Whose death?