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The issue is whether you agree with it or not. I can't comment on the London one, because I don't live in that smog-infested hellhole, but I am very much in favour of the congestion charge in Durham, because it has taken cars out of a mediaeval city centre and allowed pedestrians to enjoy it largely unhindered.
but theyre raising travelcard prices as well
so its a bit pointless really
.. and thus the tax itself is voluntary. You are not forced into the action, that is free will.
You mean apart from pollution?
Yes. This case proves it.
What the fuck?
But you are forced to pay if you decide to do that action. You do not have the option of deciding to not deal with Red Ken and his little mafia. That isn't free will. Are you being deliberately obtuse or something?
My TV pollutes? And my car pollutes no matter where it is, so that's bollocks too.
Voluntary -
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&defl=en&q=define:voluntary
Tax-
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=define%3Atax&meta=
Don't normally do this - but you are just wrong.
If you know the consequences of any action then you cannot claim that those consequences were not of your making if you follow through with the action.
I have never paid the congestion charge because I voluntarily take an alternate method of transport.
Involuntary taxation would mean that I pay regardless of my chosen action.
I think I covered this. Free will happens when you make the conscious decision to act in a way that will mean that the charge is levied. You do have the option of not dealing with red Ken.
Not to the same degree though, non?
I was being pedantic. The US Embassy will not pay. Therefore it is possible to refuse without penalty.
All you need do now is get your diplomatic status recognised
Bollocks. Utter bollocks. The "consequences of your actions" have to include offering up money to someone you have no choice in dealing with. You have already agreed that it;s tax, and tax is defined as involuntary trade. This makes you look silly.
All taxation is involuntary. It's more or less what the word means. :banghead:
No, you don't. the only person deciding who trades with who is Ken. You cannot refuse, you do not have that option. You do have the option to make many choices. On one of those choices Red Ken has decided to use violence to rob people. If you decide to do the action that Red Ken robs you for, then you get robbed. Simple.
To then say that that robbery has been volunteered for is ridiculous, and you know it.
Do the laws of physics work differently in London? You missed the point about the TV too.
Working on it already.
Will almost certainly be dismissed as a crank though.
But if you absolutely insist on calling it a tax, it would be classed as an indirect tax, which is not covered by the convention.
Incidentally, I don't agree with the charge, and voted against it happening here in Edinburgh, which was a bad idea as the city promptly began all their roadworks and re-phased the lights to cause maximum trouble. You know there must be something up when traffic flows more smoothly through the city when the largest junction in the city's lights are out of action and the wee wifie traffic warden is directing traffic!
But if our diplomats pay tolls abroad, then their diplomats should pay it here.
btw - Alladin - loved the Ferrero Rocher thing. I snorted coffee all over my monitor at that one!!