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Israel captured territories in the Six Day War for self-defence purposes. The Yom Kippur War in 1973 proved this, some of the territories captured six years earlier proved a vital security advantage.
A UN resolution, can’t remember which gives Israel a right to ‘secure borders’. In the pre-1967 borders Israel was very vulnerable and if it went back to them it would be again. Israel is a tiny country and it does not have particularly warm relations with its neighbours…It's more complex than you think. I'm doing my A-level coursework on it
I still don't think its right to occupy it. Turfing people out of their houses and bulldozing them is a bit off. But, I suppose their wont be peace until they drop thier religious prejudices and stop killing each other over it. Why can't folks sit down at a table and debate this?
But to the Israelis (well some of them) they're not occupying somebody else's land - they believe both sides have a shared right to it.
To be honest I don't think religious prejudices play a huge part. A lot of Israelis are secular and the Palestinians compared to other groups around the world are not that strict Muslims. Although of course should remember there are many Palestinian Christians too.. Anyway hopefully there will be more sitting down at a table and peacefully debating it. With Arafat out the way I think there is a real chance with Abbas.
If they thought both sides had a shared right to it, why build afuck off wall and keep on either side? Why not live together, as if you were all one, as opposed to dividing it up? Dare I say its the leaders doing this?
Nope. It was the west when we went in and carved it up, without asking, and plonked Israel there. Making people hate the Jews, as they got the blame for it.
Typical. Never blame those who done it. :rolleyes:
well call me old fashioned but Blair is full of shit.
sing it with me now:
what are we gonna get?
what are we gonna get?
what we are gonna get
is 1984
-the 4 skins.
like the securing of of the sudetenland for greater germany's self defence
the israelis took these lands through force, and keeping them by force, can you not understand why someone would fight for what they see as theirs like the palestinians do, and that just withdrawing IDF troops and make the gaza strip and west bank autonomous regions of israel would help a lot
wheresmyplacebo - I'll ignore the irrelevant Nazi reference. Even the UN has accepted Israel has a right to secure borders. Pre-1967 borders Israel was barely 10 miles wide in some parts and most of Israel's population were in range for Arab armies who were sworn enemies of Israel. Israel is withdrawing from parts of the Disputed territories - the withdrawal from Gaza is an example of that. And more concessions will come from the Israelis if the Palestinians are willing to make them too.
How exactly does uprooting vines in the West Bank increase the safety of another country (namely Israel)?
How exactly does firing at children demonstrating in Gaza makes Israel safer?
Pity then that they have consistently refused to do the one thing that will immediately and permanently stop the conflict: to get the flying fuck out of Occupied Palestine once and for all.
But instead of planning to do that, they actually intend to increase the size of some the malignant tumours (sorry, illegal settlements) in the West Bank.
Way to work towards peace!
The IDF have specific orders to not shoot at children or any unarmed civilians. Sadly there is proof that Palestinian terrorist groups have abused that frequently using Palestinian children as human shields, hiding behind unarmed children. Unfortunately in such cases things do happen.
As for cases of Israeli soldiers shooting and killing children who throw rocks them the number of such cases are extremely rare and isolated. But such cases are very wrong although there is of course often a lot more to it than people such as yourself would have us believe.
As for settlements in the Disputed Territories, you're only giving one side of the argument. The other is that in many of the towns and villages where 'settlers' have gone to live there has been Jewish communities living in the same area for thousands of years. Settlements make up a tiny percentage of the Disputed Territories. Their importance is exaggerated.
Aren't you even tempted, on the odd occasion, to wonder whether the IDF might be a little economical with the truth? Because just about everyone else, from reliable news sources to independent witness to the Palestinian themselves claim in the immense majority of cases there are no "gunmen", "militants" or big bad scary "terrorists". Just Palestinian civilians demonstrating against the occupiers.
686 Palestinian children killed by the IDF in the last 5 years
"Extremely rare and isolated" eh? Good bloody job they're just that...
First off, please lay off the "Disputed" silly term. Just about everyone, including most Israelis and Israel's most staunch supporter, the USA (not to mention the UN and the international community), have no trouble admitting they are the Occupied Territories. You sound scarily close to a zionist fundamentalist settler when you use such language.
And secondly, the fact remains that the settlements are illegal and in Palestinian territory. Palestinians who have been the main and constant owners and occupants of the land. If some Jewish people want to live in Palestine, all they have to do is apply for citizenship and move to a Palestinian town of their choosing.
Given the hostility towards settlers even amongst ordinary Israelis, and given that the majority of them appear to be ultra fundamentalist scum, I simply suspect the Israelis want to keep them as far away from Israel as possible. However that's not very fair on the Palestinians is it?
simple as really, if the israelis want to live somewhere that isnt theres, buy the piece of land legally and move there, dont take it by force
Is it that simple? I thought I'd heard that the land doesn't legally belong to anyone until the Israelis and Palestinians come to an agreement as per the diktats of the Camp David Agreement, Oslo Accords etc.
It may be wrong to take the land, but I'm not sure it's illegal.
If Germany invaded Britain and installed German colonies across the land, do you think that'd be a legal move?
I must admit to a lack of knowledge on the subject but I think it has something to do with Jordan illegally annexing the area after WW2 - only the British recognized that annexation - so Jordan had to give the land back, but didn't know who to give it to hence everyone knows it should be Palestinian land but legally it isn't until both sides come to an agreement about Palestinian statehood...or something like that.