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man accidentally shot dead had expired visa
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is it just me, or are other people thinking....'so?'
up until today, the home office 'declined to comment' on his immigration status. today they've suddenly decided he was here illegally. dodgy?
i hope they're not trying to suggest that that justifies his death.
discuss.
is it just me, or are other people thinking....'so?'
up until today, the home office 'declined to comment' on his immigration status. today they've suddenly decided he was here illegally. dodgy?
i hope they're not trying to suggest that that justifies his death.
discuss.
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havnt you learned anything? The government know best!
Oh wait, the rollingeyes smiley, are you not being wholey serious?
Now we all need ID cards.
It's a horrible, shitty thing to do. Basically the attitude is "he was guilty of something" which of course makes it ok for some flat foot to decapitate him.
Also, they haven't said he was here illegally. Read it closely.
They said that the stamp wasn't in use on that date. For all we know someone fucked up in the passport office and used the wrong one. Or perhaps they are just lying flat out.
Bollocks. Can you point out where anybody in the police force has suggested anything of the sort?
All this does is shed some light on why he may have ran when challenged by the poilce.
I don't see how it makes a difference really but if I'm being cynical I suspect it may soften some of the more close minded people of the public's views on this situation.
I wouldn't run from anybody with a gun shouting 'Stop or I'll shoot', whether it was the police or a mugger or whoever.
If he was late for work, he could just as easily have been running to catch the train and merely been chased down (i.e. stalked) by authorities just looking for a likely target to test out the extent of their new unrestrained license to kill.
They haven't lost much sleep over it, daring to downplay wanton homocide as "a tragedy". More's the tragedy that the public is unified in outright condemnation of such sanctimonious terminology.
It really isn't relevant to the point that the man was executed.
I'd probably run from a mugger. But not from armed police - where is there to run, afterall. They'd have just picked him up at the next station.
He wasn't. Get over it.
The police killed an innocent man. He wasn't a threat to anyone, but they shot him anyway. I understand the excuses being given but they just aren't good enough, if you are going to take a life then you need to be damned sure that you are good reason to and the information we have says that they just didn't have it...
but if the police had proper intelligence they'd know if he was a suicide bomber or not
no he started running when police challenged him
Yes I know I'm being emotionally detached, but that helps a lot when something like this needs to be observed impartially. It must be admitted that if this guy had been a bomber this conversation would be going very differently, and also that his behaviour was not conducive to him getting away alive.
If somebody point a gun at you and tell you to stop or they'll shoot you'd have to be pretty stupid to run whoever they are.
However, he was so far from the profile of a potential bomber, that it has become the theatre of the absurd.
This nonsense about "imagine if he really was a bomber" doesn't wash at all - how can anyone find consolation in the fact that armed police are running around getting it so wrong? How can anyone even start to believe that the poilcie are protecting us? They didn't stop the bombings on July 7th. All 4 alleged bombers got away on 21st July, and afaik at least 3 of the suspects are still at large.
And we have a dead Brazilian (who people call stupid even though there was no precedent for him to follow - the stupidity was in the surveillance team and the hit squad, no?) why the hell would a Catholic Brazilian think that he was in the frame for being a suicide bomber - he had no reason to suspect that he was in the frame for anything - (his visa stamp was good enough to fool Jack Straw if you think about it) - he wasn't wearing a thick jacket - he didn't vault the turnstile - he went in with his Oyster card - that means he had to stop and wait for the gate to open...........
Stop blaming him and have a look at those who killed him - because their "operation" was a farce .................................
I can't see this being a rational decision really. It's going to be one of those fight or flight moments. He chose flight, they chose fight. He's dead they are on holiday. :sour:
FTP raises a very good point. If his visa was good enough to need nearly a weeks worth of checking to find out it had the wrong stamp, he was as safe as houses as far as that went.
They are not there to protect you. If they were you could take them to court if and when they get it wrong. You can't, you have no comeback, so there is no protection. Interestingly this put legal assertions that you are a citizen in jeopardy -
http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/stevens/stevens4.html
A citizen is someone who owes an allegience in return for protection. No protection - no allegience - no citizens. An "illegal alien" is someone who gets no protection and so owes no allegience and can be removed from the area.
Ah, so you are an eye witness to events from the moment he left for work are you?
So technically it could have been anybody chasing him saying they're the police.
And whether his Visa has expired or not doesn't take away the fact that a human life has been taken away (in public).
It simply gets regurgitated by the press/media, given some public outlets to vent concern, handed a routine "the situation is under investigation", and ultimately buried by the next sensationalist diversion.
If any action is truly needed, some low level patsy can be found to bear all the blame and have his/her life ruined to mollify the sheep. Business as usual in the echelons of power.
It wouldn't be the first one the old bill does a major fuck up and makes up a story to cover their arses...
How about they establish some proper procedures for staking out flats and following the right person?
thay have them already.
it goes - spot potential terorist - let him wander around, under watch (at a safe distance) until an armed unit can come and shoot him dead with minimal casualties to the rozzers.
I am not even joking. :impissed: