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Kermit is right, the masses are asses.
Anyway, I'm off to tell a friend the joke about the Irish Catholic Priest, The Pope and the Rabbi, while I still can...
From here
So, who is next?
Lord Steven says here that
And just look at the timeline of events published here
Notice the comments for 22nd July:
Italics mine...
No, I agree that questions need to be asked in this case. But, that doesn't mean we're heading towards a 'police state'. Were the police reckless? Perhaps or perhaps it was an honest mistake by people under pressure - in which case urgent lessons need to be learnt, but its not cold-blooded murder.
Did someone panic? If so perhaps there may need to be a prosecution.
There does seem to be two main sides to this case - either the police are cold-blooded murderers or they did right in shooting him down. At the moment I'm in the middle - police do have to sometimes shoot before they are certain (given that the only certainty you ever get is when the bomb goes off), but I do not have enough evidence on what actually happened and what the police saw or believed they saw to say I wouldn't have done the same if I was in their shoes.
Don't be surprised in decades to come, should we have the fortune of bringing our own grasping powermongers to a new Nuremberg reckoning, to hear oh so many seeking to excuse their complicity with "I was only following orders".
Rings as hollow to my ears today as it did to those who heard it repeated from many lips back then.
Never again? I beg to differ!
If you ignore compulsory ID cards, stop and search, shoot-to-kill...
I don't think that we are there yet, but we're heading in the right direction.
I don't think it was cold blooded murder. I think it was negligence to the highest degree, a complete lack of recognition of a fundamental basis of our culture. Sanctity of life. It's what marks us out from terrorists.
It's not just the police I'm angry at either, our intelligence in this case was a joke.
Hell, this morning we were told that the man had no visa, this evening Jack Straw doesn't think he was here illegally. Which is it? And if they cannot get that right, how the hell do we trust them to finger the right people?
I don't have all the evidence I would like, but based on their own testimony, and that of witnesses, I'd say the Police we woeful in their actions. Callous disregard, doesn't even come close.
Out of interest, has anyone seen a witness statement which says that the person heard the police identify themselves?
digital money which is tracked and traced ...everyone knows how far from the gutter you are ...quick! lend that man some money ...
can't kill foxes ...can no longer own hand guns ...
tracking devices in your car ...
video phones and survielance ...
and the thing i find realy funny about it all is ...this kind of world only existed in the comics i read as a kid.
it was always forced upon the people though.
rhe reality is ...we are embracing our own imprisonment.
if people wake up and switch everything off for a week ...everything ...the whole fucking thing collapses!
Original widely publicised cctv still image of the alleged bombers doctored?
http://www.legitgov.org/cctv_image_of_uk_suspects_240705.html
Curiouser and curiouser, cried Alice!
Okay - lets look at it another way.
A motorist is driving down a High Road - as he nears the tube station, he sees a police officer aiming his gun at a man in a thick jacket.
Knowing that a policeman has killed an innocent man in a very similar scenario, and wanting to avoid the tragic ending of another innocent life, the motorist accelerates into the policeman, and kills him.
The suspect is found not to have a bomb. An innocent life has been saved.
Can we expect the motorist to walk away from the scene without a charge?
Have you actually enlarged that image?
To add to the case though, I submit another recent find...
Bomb was UNDER train, not in any backpacks, claims one witness
Again I ask, where is the public demand to see concrete forensic evidence rather than mere assertion and public villification of random citizens splashed all over tabloids and television as if it were fact?
What are you hiding by refusing to submit to a full public enquiry Mr. Blair??
Given the grainy nature of the picture - it's hardly his resolution anywhere, which is about standard for CCTV - it actually appears that the head is turned slightly.
I may be wrong, but unlike you I haven't taken it on face value just because I want to support the notion that it's bogus. Remember what I said about questioning all argument, again you fail to do so.
BTW Is it usual for injuries to be sustained on the top of someone's head from a blast which went upwards. Also, the genetleman admit to being confused, how confident are you that his version is correct and others are wrong.
Again, not dismissing it, I'm questioning it...
The one's taking any of this at face value are those like yourself who adopt the very terminology employed by the populist coverstory instead of joining me and countless others in demanding PROOF before spashing the faces of quite likely victims all over the international press as a conclusive fact of their guilt.
A bomb blast in a confined space with shrapnel quite likely bouncing off the ceiling could very easily produce any variety of wounds, including those to the head and upper body. Sounds more plausible than a bomb in a bag on the floor exploding downwards producing a head injury now doesn't it?
You mean words?
Should I get my thesaurus out first then, and check that I don't use the same expressions?
I don't know, I'm not a "expert" in effects of explosions in such spaces. Are you?
Personally, I would defer to someone who is...
I didn't make a negative comment, I raised a question.
You really should have learned by now that I often choose my words very carefully.
I asked if it was usual, thus pointing out that I didn't know... erm... because I'm not an expert...