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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    There were some 4-5 year old kids interviewed in Supersize Me and none of them could identify George Washington or even Jesus Christ when shown a portrait of them. Every last one of them recognised and named Ronald McDonald though.
    Jesus Christ? Could you identify him? How does anyone know what he looks like?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Loopi wrote:
    Jesus Christ? Could you identify him? How does anyone know what he looks like?
    I'm not entirely convinced I could identify George Washington. :blush:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Loopi wrote:
    Jesus Christ? Could you identify him? How does anyone know what he looks like?

    christ1.jpg

    Without getting into a religious discussion, this is for sure a universally recognised image of what Jesus would look like.

    Those children did not have a clue who he could be though... unlike our friendly Ronald McDonald.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kentish wrote:
    I'm not entirely convinced I could identify George Washington. :blush:
    I watched supersize me and i didn't recognise George Washington, but one of the kids actually did!

    And with the chip butties, I think what placebo meant was that it was a better choice than alot of the other things, if he did know for a fact that the chips had no added chemicals. I don't see how coke was a good choice though, you couldn't make a much worse choice really. Still, that weren't my point, he was just fortunate that he did get good food at home.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Still, that weren't my point, he was just fortunate that he did get good food at home.
    I only quoted you cos you were the last post on the subject, not because I disagreed with you. And even if someone eats healthily at home, that doesn't mean that they should be allowed to eat crappy processed foods at school!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    Without getting into a religious discussion, this is for sure a universally recognised image of what Jesus would look like.
    It surely is a social comment on church attendance though. And in fact, that may well be a familiar image to Catholics or High Anglicans, but many churches will not have that type of picture on the wall.

    I could guess that your picture there represented Jesus Christ, but that would be my interpretation of the picture, whereas I would have no difficulty naming Ronald McDonald because he is a corporate logo.

    Marketing is a fact of life. It always has been. What's the problem with children recognising Ronald McDonald?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The problem is not for them to recognise Ronald McDonald, but not to recognise other far more important and historically significant figures.

    You might argue that is not unreasonable for an American 5 year old child not to recognise George Washington. At the end of the day they are only five years old. But I find it deeply disturbing that they will recognise nobody, be past or present Presidents or even our alleged Saviour, but they will recognise the corporate logo of a junk food chain that produces arguably the very worst "food" in the entire world.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    The problem is not for them to recognise Ronald McDonald, but not to recognise other far more important and historically significant figures.

    You might argue that is not unreasonable for an American 5 year old child not to recognise George Washington. At the end of the day they are only five years old. But I find it deeply disturbing that they will recognise nobody, be past or present Presidents or even our alleged Saviour, but they will recognise the corporate logo of a junk food chain that produces arguably the very worst "food" in the entire world.

    I'm not convinced by this argument. He could have interviewed 500 children and only shown the worst 5. There was definately an agenda he was trying to push anyway...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What kind of argument is that shyboy? Of course he was pushing an agenda, does that make the facts presented in the documentary any less valid?

    Every presentation of an argument is for the purpose of advancing an agenda, if not there would be no point in debating anything.

    Your reference is indicative of the same mentality that has been deadening public dialogue and indeed critical analysis for the past 5 years at least. It finds its equally inane counterpart in the view that any analysis which seeks to critique commonly accepted norms or practices (however false they may be) must be "biased" and therefore must be dismissed.

    Never were the signs of a steadily dumbed down population so prevalent as they are today.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What kind of argument is that shyboy? Of course he was pushing an agenda, does that make the facts presented in the documentary any less valid?

    Every presentation of an argument is for the purpose of advancing an agenda, if not there would be no point in debating anything.

    Your reference is indicative of the same mentality that has been deadening public dialogue and indeed critical analysis for the past 5 years at least. It finds its equally inane counterpart in the view that any analysis which seeks to critique commonly accepted norms or practices (however false they may be) must be "biased" and therefore must be dismissed.

    Never were the signs of a steadily dumbed down population so prevalent as they are today.

    What I was saying, was to take it with a pinch of salt. When I watched it I thought straight away that he could have paid those kids £5 to make it look good :p I'm not saying he did mind you, just that I think if they had recognised all the others then he wouldn't have shown it would he?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    probably not, but then the point being made was that in the hyper-commercialised society of the US, it is a clear indictment against our public priorities that any kid, who should readily recognise images of the founders both of our "professed" majority religion and of our nation, should have less trouble recognising shallow marketing icons.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kentish wrote:
    Indeed. But his point, as I understood it, was that using fresh potatoes and oil meant that his chips were a healthy choice.


    no im just saying i knew what i was getting, and a decent portion too, not the meagre crap schools give

    foods there to be enjoyed as well as be good, its peoples laziness thats the problem nothing else

    my point was also that i may have eaten crap but i ate good food as well, noone perfect eh

    from experience, places that are forced to adopt a healthy eating thing tend to make the food not very fresh, and its normally more tight portions, and more expensive

    look at the price of carrot sticks in mcdonalds, then you see why id rather have the fries, cause well i dont go mcdonalds to eat well, i go there to eat crap that tastes alrite to me and i eat fruit etc at home and from market stalls
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What kind of argument is that shyboy? Of course he was pushing an agenda, does that make the facts presented in the documentary any less valid?

    The "facts" of the schoolchildren not recognising Jesus were largely distorted; propaganda, even with some truth, is not truth.

    And besides, even if the "survey" was true, it was largely pointless cheap points-scoring with little merit. Corporate logos are well known shock!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I watched supersize me and i didn't recognise George Washington, but one of the kids actually did!

    these were american kids though. america is far more patriotic than us. children would be expected to know who is is
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