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No I don't. Just what is your position? You seem to be keen to ignore economics and class in favour of blaming societies problems on immigration and race.
So why post?
You have claimed that the UK is overpopulated and the Britain needs to wake up to that.
We have asked you to provide evidence to support this assertion. Without the evidence, you have nothing to offer. As far as we are concerned there is no problem...
Not at all. There is a difference between overpopulation and too many cars, too few roads, traffic "calming" and the UK Govt policy on transport.
Partly due to the scaremongering and ignorance factor. Not due to "overpopulation".
To an extent he does. But there are still more empty houses than there are homeless people. What Prescott is doing is wanting to provide housing in the areas where people currently want to live. The same process has gone on for generations, it's why we have these places we refer to as towns/cities.
Seen many bananas growing in the UK then?
We import due to cost and availability. There are many foods which the UK population likes but are not native. Importing food is not because we cannot produce enough to feed ourselves.
Farming practices are not because of overpopulation, they are more to do with maximising profit from land.
I'm disputing that the nation is overpopulated. We have enough food, we have enough housing. What evidence do you have to support you claim?
Currently it's like me arguing that the sky isn't blue. I have no evidence to prove it, so why should anyone listen. You want the UK population to wake up and yet you give them nothing to inform them - apart from links to anti-immigration websites.
Dunno about Fiend, but if you can prove your case I'm willing to listen.
All the time you use anti-immigration - where the sites admit that fertility rates in the UK are dropping - then I don't think that you have a case.
Because I can face facts, I think that societies immigration and race problems are about immigration and race, you think they're about economics and class because you can't.
MoK, the optimumpopulation site is clearly not coming at population with any hidden anti-immigration agenda. Somewhere in there is a Green Party policy proposal which admits an immigration issue, it's not racist at all. Have a look around, it's all sensible, referenced stuff. If I haven't changed your mind now, I think future events will.
What facts?
So you admit that you're racist then?
Yes they are, and they admit as much.
But they also look at fertility etc, have to say that I thought the site a little naive in it's approach although it contained some interesting information.
However, they seem to think that the maximum number of people which the UK can sustain is 30m. l Nearly half what we sustain now. Less than we have sustained for hundreds of years.
This is based on the UK supporting it's own population alone, without support from other nations and they argue that immigration is part of the problem, whilst at the same time arguing that countries which have large emigration rates will not be able to even support this population.
Possibly the best quote to underline their naive approach was this "we believe the best in human nature - that individuals want to do the best for their fellow humans, for future generations and for Earth" when they suggested that people would choose
not to have children...
Your post doesn't get any more logical from the first sentence (in response to me) to the last, it's all denying the obvious. I think that more peole would agree with you than me tho'... That'll change as resources run out and the fight becomes life and death here as it already is in some parts of the world, due in some part to the lifestyle that you cling on to. It will happen. You're not willing to change your lifestyle now, will your children? Or is Kissinger more realistic about human-nature than you?
Hopefully I'm wrong, but as I type this I know I'm not...
No. And you haven't edited for grammar, but I'd appreciate advice on grammar and punctuation. Also a good intro to economics...
Do you admit to being an Economist? Don't ask daft questions!
Get off your high horse and see what it's like down here for humans who don't have a discredited ideology to cling on to.
Throughout the whole of human history, in all corners of the globe , in every kind of society, among every kind of peoples, there has been resistance to immigration of 'the other'. People who looked different , thought different, worshipped different, behaved different. Resistance and friction , friction and hatred , hatred and murder, murder and mass-murder. Always, everywhere, everybody. That's a sorry fact, but it's a fact. Face it Blagsta. You might have swallowed somebody elses economic theories, but no economic theory has ever changed Human nature.
I've disputed that I'm starting these things from a 'racist' viewpoint, that you're being unfair. If you more reasonably said I was being cynical or pessimistic you'd still be unfair. I'm not being narrow minded. My outlook accepts the whole of Human history. You deny not just the way that people around the world feel today, but the way people have always felt, probably the way our ancestors felt before they were even Human.
Sometimes the problem with immigration is simply immigration, likewise race.
If you had an 'economic' answer to these problems we'd know about it. We don't 'cos you don't. So stop talking philosophy and accept that you're dealing with humans and deal with how humans feel and act...likely last post on this thread.
What did I edit for then?
Errrr...what?
I admit to being a socialist.
I'm not. Your views start from the premise that differences between races and the conflict that causes is primary. That's a racist view, a view that was espoused by the Nazis.
You have the cheek to talk about discredited idealogies when you believe in scientific racism? Incredible!
Evidence?
Its a fact only in your twisted little racist mind.
Tell me about human nature then.
You are racist whether you admit it or not. I've explained why.
Aaaah, arrogance as well. You know everything about human history do you? LOL!
How do you know how people have always felt, even before they were human? Are you psychic or something? This is priceless!
Evidence?
So how much money people have makes no difference to social problems? Errr...yeah, whatever.
Idiot.
As for the rest of what you write, it is at the very least hopelessly xenophobic. And that's being kind.
Read The Concept of the Political. Conflict is inevitable because humans will never agree with each other; this is not the fault of the "other" and problems only arise when the "other" is demonised and blamed for all the world's ills.
Indeed it is.
I doesn't mean that the scapegoat that gets beaten is wrong though. And it certainly doesn't "prove" that we're over-populated.
Well of course, but the public are stupid and its far easier to say "its them, you're unemployment and poor prospects are because of them" rather than attempting to help them understand the more complex reasons for their problems.
And therein lies the problem.
Never underestimate stupid people in large groups.
Most conflict arises due to competition over resources. The basis of economics. Yes, scapegoating exists, its easier for people to blame other groups than to look at themselves. The concept of "the other" is from philosophy and psychoanalysis and is how we define ourselves in relation to other people. Someone with things they can't face about themselves often projects these feelings out of themselves on to other people or other groups in society. This is not however the same as saying that humans are "naturally" xenophobic.
Definitely.
Racism in many northern cities can be directly attributed back to the fact that the various poor groups are fighting with each other for the measly scraps cast down from the high table, rather than attacking those truly responsible.
It is. I'd put money on that being the case in Bradford, to be quite honest.
So obvious that only a small minority can see it?
And that's where you and I have a fundamental difference.
You seem to want to cling to a lifestyle which is unecessary and based on resources which will eventually run out regardless of the world population. I'm happy to change the way I live, and in fact I have already. In fact huge numbers of people have. You may be too young to remember it, but as a child we never had had recylcing bins for example.
That is what will happen, that is how human nature will work. We like to call it evolution...
Especially when you consider that "human nature" is to procreate...
You haven't.
Racism is a broad term, but I think it would often be thrown at parents who don't want their kids dating and marrying outside their ethnic group? The recent news story about the Sikh father and the 'honour killing' of his daughter 'cos she hooked up with a Jew, had nothing to do with you guy's obsession with economics and class, but everything to do with the way people think about 'the other' and fall into the hate-trap. Always and everywhere.
Is that mean that people would kill their second child? Because some chinese people do that not to pay, you know?
I wouldn't say that has anything to do with the concept of "the other", more to do with a misguided notion of honour and masculinity.
Always and everywhere what?