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Or just how badly is dependent on the substance itself.
I can't be arsed sifting through daft drug websites to find links to support what i've said.
Fact is, there's a reason why people who have money do coke, people who don't do speed.
Others prefer amphetamine.
Personally I've always found cocaine a serious waste of money.
And as for the relative harm, amphetamine MAY be harder on the liver, but cocaine is far more likely to give you a heart attack. Each drug has relative risks.
Exactly, so there's no point in demonising one and favouring the other because you so-happen to prefer speed.
And, I dont think anyone was suggesting that a user moves from one drug to another. Feel free to quote us if you think otherwise.
Yes, but if amphet users are still using it, then knowing it's dangerous doesn't make them any more safe. Whatever drug you are taking, a set of risks comes with it. (some are listed in links below)
amphetamines
cocaine
the quote from my research that 100% backs this up is
I think anyone who does cocaine knows the risks, same way that anyone who does ecstasy knows the risks :rolleyes:
please tell me your being sarcastic, i've seen people sniff a gram of coke inside 10 mins in their first time of trying it, people taking 4 e's at one go and none of them gave a shit.
I used to run about sniffing grams of coke for fun, tanning shitloads of magic mushies, and i didn't give a fuck - that doesnt mean i didnt know the risks.
i know loads people that dont know the risks associated with drugs like coke and xtc, sure they might know the basics that people have died from them but they aren't automatically thinking that they might die from heart failure if they sniff this line of coke, the majority of drug users in reality don't know the risks.
Alot of people don't know the real risks with drug abuse. Many people though do know the risks but don't care, continue on and take that risk.
Drugs education in this country is awful.
If your suggesting that all cocaine users know the risks your stupid.
All the coke users I know are aware of the risks, and that's a pretty broad section of society from people 17/18 up to late 30's from all backgrounds. Similarly all the people i know who take pills know the score - it's pretty hard not to.
Any mentally competent person who does drugs knows the risks - we get it thrown at us throughout our lives through education, the media, the government...it's not possible to go through life not knowing drugs come with some heavy risks.
Poor education can't be totally blamed either. Drugs education might not be completely accurate, but the main risks are covered...although certainly your cirriculum would've been different to mine.
Oh yeah...how about learning some basic grammar before calling others stupid
which is how many people?
Why not do a statistical power calculation and see if the number of people you know is sufficient to base your hypothesis on and make generalisable statements. I suspect it isn’t.
I am glad that your circle of friends/acquaintances are informed, but it is naive to think that all users are as well informed
And no-one can know the risk of cocaine to them, can you tell if your are geneticly more suseptable to a heart attack or stroke? Hmm I dont think you do do you.
So you're honestly saying you've come across regular coke users who have no idea they're taking an addictive drug which is putting extra strain on their heart? I have to say, I have NEVER come across or even heard of any such person.
I'll repeat again - if you're gonna do drugs the burden of researching the effects and dangers is up to the individual. The dangers are advertised everywhere.
lol, you've lost the plot pal.
As for not knowing the full risks of mdma, what's the point you're trying to make? That every mdma user is taking it from a position of relative ignorance? When i say they "know the score", they know the basics what is known about mdma.
Well, maybe if you've got a history of heart problems in your family you might have something of an idea, no? And why single cocaine out? Do ecstasy, amphetamines etc not also place additional strain on your heart? Take cocaine and you're putting a big strain on your heart - if you've got genetic susceptibility then even more so - do coke users really need to be told that? It's like telling stoners smoking weed is bad for them:rolleyes:
We have a huge problem with cladistine labs in NZ of people trying to cook up, to the extent that psudo-ephedrine based medicines (cold-flu remedies) now require people to give ID/address details prior to buying - as that is one of the manufactering products - we even have people out here robbing chemists for these products... its terrible!
I never really knew the UK having much of a 'P' problem, you guys are better off without it, its highly addictive (more so than speed or coke) and we know many people who have decended into crime to pay for their habits - my flatmates DJ gear was stolen at his last place by his mate!
Now that sounds much more like the meth I was thinking of. Here... in a town of 18k, with the surrounding town of a few hundred population, you cannot go a week without reading about another lab bust. As sad as it is, it is a dozen times easier to get meth that it is to get decent weed in this town. I've tried to buy cold medicine and have gotten carded for it. Not only carded, but if you buy over 5 boxes they take down your name and address. I've no idea what actually goes into this stuff but I've heard many things... things I would never even consider using. Cold medicine, Heet... just odd seeming stuff. Though the most common way I've known about is snorting.
The ingredients used to make a drug have NO relation to the end chemical, you can use all the nasty bases and acids around and still come off with a stable and PH neutral end chemical.
Meth is a lot more addictive, or so it would seem, the problem lies in its action on the seritonin receptor as well as the usual dopamine and neuroadrenaline which speed does. This can make the high more 'happy' rather than just the physical effect of amphetamine.
As to why its not taken off here, well no one really knows, it is about, only in very small amounts. It has a nasty reputation with most amphetamine users and I'm guessing the cooks who have been make amphet in the past dont want to switch.
All I can say is that I'd avoid it, its one of those drugs thats just too good.