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Heh, China is increasingly capitalist. So what if labour costs in China are cheap? Is that necessarily the government's fault??
The lack of worker's rights or any kind of a minimum wage would be. But living costs aren't huge for most of China, so it's not like they need to be paid a lot.
Not every country has a minimum wage, nor is it an economic necessity.
And your point is?
... translates as "these are the only bombings and wars I could possibly try to find a justification for. The others are just impossible to justify even for the most die-hard ultra right wing neo-Republican so I'm not going to bother".
So that makes it right for the US to violate every single law and accord and bomb dozens of nations at will simply because of its dislike of communism.
An awful lot of people see American right wing Imperialism, aggressive foreign policy and general meddling driven by the philosophy of the PNAC as the single biggest threat to mankind, as well as a power infinitely more unpleasant that communism or others. I trust you would on principle support the right of anyone to try to stop the spread of the American neo-con values by any means at their disposal, be war, terrorism or assassination.
If you weren't, you'd be the world's biggest hypocrite.
I can tell you one thing that should not happened in 1948 in the area. Not in the way it happened, and not using the land that was used anyway.
The 'easy' option was taken, and that has given rise to the nastiest and most enduring conflict in recent history.
Please try to keep religion out of a discussion for a change. No-one else has brought it up.
Why do I get the impression that you wouldn't give a flying fuck about "the difference in quality of life between the 400 million peasents and the rest" or "the deaths of millions" if China was a fascist dictatorship and an ally of the US, instead of being a bid bad commie state?
Remind me again how the deaths of the people of Chile, Iraq or Uzbekistan (to name but 3) during the reigns of Pinochet, Saddam during the 1980s and President Karimov don't really matter because the regimes were friends of the US... I really love that argument.
well said, and it is still happening today in many small African countries, where as long as they are allied with America, they can blow the fuck out of each other, there's two sides to every coin i'm afraid
Doesnt mater if I give a 'flying fuck' or not, I was merely pointing out another hypocrisy of the Left.
China is a big bad state you moron, but you always erase deaths of millions if the government is 'on the left' so to speak, dont you?
Tragic of course, but preferable to the millions more that would have perished had the USSR expanded its sphere of influence.
Youve not actually addressed any of my major points on the major Cold War hotspots, so i'll take it for granted you agree with me.
An insult to the thousands of non-christians in the US armed forces. Honestly, your blindness is astonishing. Have you ever actually been to the US?
I cant picture a place when Western troops go in using chainsaws, axes and petroleum, raping and hacking limbs off at will? Oh, no thatd be the Arab militias of the Janjaweed and the Islamic Resistance in Algeria. I dont elieve its US policy to stone women to death for adultery either...
I was not going to cover them individually, but as a whole, if you read what I put, you will see its covered.
It gives them the right to save millions of lives. Jesus Christ, read up on the miseries caused to the world by Communism. You need to get your eyes checked.
YOu cannot sweep the deaths of a hundred million under the carpet.
Basically - blinded hypocrites like you who have no problem when left wing governments murder their own citizens in the name of class war but jump up in 'righteous anger' whenever the US intervenes to stop them killing each other. Pacifism is a false moral.
No, the right option was taken.
"The Left" as you put it has never denied or condoned human right abuses perpetrated by communist countries- or of any other political denomination.
It is in fact people like you who claim the moral high ground when talking about human right abuses committed by certain countries while at the same time ignoring or actually defending atrocities committed by certain other countries as a necessity. And incredibly keep a straight face while doing it. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.
When have I ever said that?
Yeah yeah the USSR coming to rule the world and thank god for good old America saving the earth from 1,000 years of tyranny by the bad old commies and yabba dabba flobby dob.
Change the record Matadore. No-one (other than you it seems) believes such ludicrous scare mongering tales.
Of the 24 separate bombings of nations the US has perpetrated since WWII, the only ones where there is an (arguable) justification are Korea, Iraq in 1990, Yugoslavia in 1999 and Afghanistan in 2001.
Every single other bombing is nothing more than the implementation of the US' imperialistic right wing policies, as you well know it. I'm afraid your terror tales concerning big bad commies coming to rule the world don't wash one bit.
Don't disregard the huge damage done to the quality, and length, of human life because of the USSR, within it's own boarders, because you dislike his point of view.
The USSR was a pile of shit, just because you dislike the USA doesn't mean you can ignore it.
No, some US troops seem content with raping 14-year old boys and subjecting prisoners to a catalogue of torture and abuses it'd make Saddam blush.
If you really want to go down the road of generalisations (and remember I didn't start this thread) I think you will find Western governments and troops have caused far far more death, conflict, misery and destruction than the Arabs.
But as I've just said earlier what would be the point of getting further down that road eh?
Yes yes, the US saving the world from communism. We've all heard it before. Still doesn't wash.
You're the only one prepared to do so by all accounts. While at the same time justifying all sort of illegal actions and imperialistic crusades for geopolitical reasons for the laughable argument that the US was doing it all to save millions from the evils of communism.
For the millionth time: stop making things up. YOU are the one who don't mind certain atrocities at all. Show me where I or 'we' have said we don't mind atrocities committed by communist nations.
Shouldn't that be the 'right wing' option?
I am disputing the tired-and-terribly-boring ridiculous argument that the US' countless bombings and interfering with endless nations was justified because the Soviets would have otherwise conquered the world and subjected us all to death and misery.
Matadore here has gone as far as justifying the overthrowing of the democratic government of Salvador Allende in Chile, who wasn't even fucking communist (which goes to show how much he knows about the subject) by the USA and the subsequent placement in government of a brutal butcher responsible for the torture and deaths of tens of thousands of Chileans. According to Matadore removing democracies and installing brutal fascist dictators in its place is justified as long as the USA doesn't like the government in question.
Isn't that so Matadore?
I didn't know Bill Gates ran an international bank.
You can't blame the 3rd world's problems on us. We give them food and money, and they use it to buy arms and kill each other.
If they stopped trying to compete with us militarily and just accepted their place we wouldn't have a problem.
Look at Iraq, if Saddam hadn't spent billions of dollars on his crappy military Iraq would be a prosperous country today, and would still be able to rely on us for military assistance which we provide to other countries that don't have an army.
The 3rd world needs to wake up and realise spending it's money on tanks isn't going to do them any good.
Bugger. You mean that I should have read your post...?
yeah, sorry.
Even with a passport the Govt can deny you travel, as many football fans have found.
Point is that the Gvt can deny you the right to travel, just as the other states mentioned can. Just like our Govt, they will claim that it's the result of "criminal" activity.
I did mean accessable, because I don't believe that the machinations of our Govt as open. As the lack of a real Freedom of Information Act shows...