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Masculinties/Femininities

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The 'risk' to men isn't women, it's men whining that they don't have it so good nowdays...

    If you asked me to define masculinity one of its atributes would be taking responsibility for ones own life and not blaming others or society

    wow we actually agree on something nqa.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The 'risk' to men isn't women, it's men whining that they don't have it so good nowdays...

    If you asked me to define masculinity one of its atributes would be taking responsibility for ones own life and not blaming others or society

    How is this masculinity? Surely taking responsibility for one's own life and not blaming others or society is down to both men and women?

    And the 'risk' to men also comes from other men: maybe particularly other men.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How is this masculinity? Surely taking responsibility for one's own life and not blaming others or society is down to both men and women?

    And the 'risk' to men also comes from other men: maybe particularly other men.

    So I would suggest is being 'Protestant' which was on the original list.

    Or I could be more brutal and say masculinity is about having a spine and not boohooing about how the evil women have it all...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    briggi wrote: »
    Another thing to remember is that the reason women aren't portrayed as "fuck ups" in adverts etc is because if they were then there would be utter outcry from women (like myself) about the way they were being portrayed. I'm not sure if men generally have had instilled an attitude that they should put up with being ridiculed or if they just basically don't have the passionate feelings about the portrayl in the media that a lot of contemporary women do.
    Have you ever noticed the phenomenon that when a woman speaks in public, she is somehow representing all women, whereas if it's a man speaking, he's speaking only for himself.

    I think this is the reason why men aren't nearly as passionate as we women are about our respective portrayals in the media. The idiot good-for-nothing bloke on TV is just that: a good-for-nothing bloke, not a represantative of his gender (as we would feel if it was a woman instead being portrayd in an idiotic role).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bluewisdom wrote: »
    Have you ever noticed the phenomenon that when a woman speaks in public, she is somehow representing all women, whereas if it's a man speaking, he's speaking only for himself.

    I think this is the reason why men aren't nearly as passionate as we women are about our respective portrayals in the media. The idiot good-for-nothing bloke on TV is just that: a good-for-nothing bloke, not a represantative of his gender (as we would feel if it was a woman instead being portrayd in an idiotic role).
    I think Briggi's point in closer to the truth. Men are socialised into not moaning about their problems. It's one of the reasons men's depression goes so untreated. Men aren't not passionate about their representations in the media, but I think that's got a lot to do with the climate of 'oh, just get on with it men' which exists in society towards men today.

    For proof of this, you only have to look as far as Flashman's Ghost's post
    Or I could be more brutal and say masculinity is about having a spine and not boohooing about how the evil women have it all...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think Briggi's point in closer to the truth. Men are socialised into not moaning about their problems. It's one of the reasons men's depression goes so untreated. Men aren't not passionate about their representations in the media, but I think that's got a lot to do with the climate of 'oh, just get on with it men' which exists in society towards men today.
    Oh yes, I completely agree with the fact that men are socialised into not moaning about their problems, and that being a reason for men's depression to be underdiagnosed, and at the root of many other issues as well...
    The thing is, do men really consider their portrayals in the media as 'a problem' (which they are not expressing)?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think that sometimes it can be, but men can feel uncomfortable 'confronting' their emotions.

    But I think media representations of men and women are totally skewed, particularly in the fashion industry. Which is why I think things like Dove's campaign for real beauty is something to be applauded.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bluewisdom wrote: »
    The thing is, do men really consider their portrayals in the media as 'a problem' (which they are not expressing)?
    Well I think that most people on this site tend to agree that young people are represented in a negtive light in the media. But I'd hazard a guess that when people say they feel that young people are represented poorly in the media, they really mean young men/boys. Teenage boys are frequently represented as immature, disruptive in school, criminal, dangerous to walk past alone at night. And of course, all of these things have evidence to back them up - girls do better in school, most crime is committed by boys, etc. And I think that we're getting to a situation where we're almost saying that teenage girls are better than teenage boys. But I think the problem may be that the bad things that are more likely to be committed by boys are measurable and can be reported (since they are more likely to be criminal offences). I think the negative behaviour more prominent in females of that age group, aren't as easily reported (and I don't know if they are more prominent, since I'm only basing it on the type of things I hear in anecdotal evidence, but I'm thinking of things such as psychological rather than physical bullying).

    On the whole buffon stereotype, I don't think it's a huge problem tbh (nor is negative stereotyping of men older than about mid-20's in general really) because for every "let's wait for dad to put his brain in" advert, there's another advert where a man is getting one over on his other half by tricking her into thinking he's worked really hard doing the housework (such as the Flash advert, or that rice advert with the old couple). In fact, I'd be more worried about the fact that the woman is frequently seen as sensible, only in comparison to the buffon character, whereas the man is usually seen as crafty and intuitive on his own merits.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's funny how people here take the media so seriously. :thumb:

    Seriously though...I get the feeling from a lot of posters here that humans are blank canvases from once they're born. That gender attidued and roles are sculptered from the society/culture they're brought up in. Ballix mucker.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote: »
    It's funny how people here take the media so seriously. :thumb:

    Seriously though...I get the feeling from a lot of posters here that humans are blank canvases from once they're born. That gender attidued and roles are sculptered from the society/culture they're brought up in. Ballix mucker.
    They are though...

    Where else do you get attitudes, gender roles, etc from except from those arounds you? i.e. society. Human's don't develop these without any input from society. Gender etc is like language. Humans don't develop language without people to speak to. They don't develop concretised gender expectations, attitudes, stereotypes, belief systems, gender roles, and so on, without exposure to society.

    Culture is learned.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They are though...

    Where else do you get attitudes, gender roles, etc from except from those arounds you? i.e. society. Human's don't develop these without any input from society. Gender etc is like language. Humans don't develop language without people to speak to. They don't develop concretised gender expectations, attitudes, stereotypes, belief systems, gender roles, and so on, without exposure to society.

    Culture is learned.

    I'm not talking about culture you eejit.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What are you talking about you eejit? Everything you've talked about is part of culture. Try reading up some stuff before you start spouting. Gender, gender roles, attitudes, etc aren't a part of culture? Right..... Cuture is just how people paint on walls and stuff. Anyway, you haven't even answered anything I raised.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I recently had to question my beliefs on what is femininity when a group I'm in had to make a dificult decision regarding a post-op transgendered woman. Though I guess I should just call her a woman? The fact that she is a woman goes against what I had previously thought defined me as woman, so yeah, having to rethink that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What are you talking about you eejit? Everything you've talked about is part of culture. Try reading up some stuff before you start spouting. Gender, gender roles, attitudes, etc aren't a part of culture? Right..... Cuture is just how people paint on walls and stuff. Anyway, you haven't even answered anything I raised.

    I'm hungover lol. I'll do it some other time haha! :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote: »
    I'm hungover lol. I'll do it some other time haha! :thumb:
    Fair play mate, fair play :) Good job with the rugby today. Very suprised with the result though, expected Ireland to roll over Scotland without an fuss.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Anomie wrote: »
    Fair play mate, fair play :) Good job with the rugby today. Very suprised with the result though, expected Ireland to roll over Scotland without an fuss.

    Aye, could've went either way, in both matches. Ah well, looks like the wooden spoon for you lot. ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Nah, cause Wales are below Scotland in the standings, so pretty happty with that :thumb: Didn't expect it to be so close with Wales today tbh.
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