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Muslims in relationships with non Muslims

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
In their Religion, are these allowed to happen or would the non Muslim need to convert?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    VinylVicky wrote:
    In their Religion, are these allowed to happen or would the non Muslim need to convert?
    I think strict muslims wont allow it to happen.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Nah, don't think muslims are *meant* to marry outside of their religion, doesn't mean it doesn't happen though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    VinylVicky wrote:
    In their Religion, are these allowed to happen or would the non Muslim need to convert?

    Same as Christians, some are hardline, others arent. Its a religion same as the others.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    budda wrote:
    Same as Christians, some are hardline, others arent. Its a religion same as the others.
    From what I've seen Muslims follow their Religion in this country more than Christians follow theirs but then I don't know as many strict Christians as I know Muslims.
    Every Christian I know, never worships or follows their faith.

    I really should be bringing this up with the other person but I have reasons such as it may no need to come that....

    Has anyone here who is a non muslim had relations with a muslim?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would say it depends how strongly muslim they are with any religion if your deeply into it then your going to look for someone who shares the same values as you. Being muslim (as with most other religions) is also about your family and the society you live in for example may peoples parents would expect them to socialise and marry with people of the same religion as well, also most "white" people in this country will have been brought up with a christian back ground both through their parents, school etc but many of they wouldn't be strongly practicing christians.

    having said that it does happen - at work our India director is Christian and he is married to a Muslim girl - however I don't think that either of the are that religious its more that they are labled as being that religion because everyone belongs to a religion or caste in India because of the society rather than any strong religious convictions they have.

    I couldn't however see someone who had strong muslim convictions marrying someone who wasnt' muslim. However that doesn't meant that they wouldn't marry someone who had coverted to Islam. One of my friends a muslim from Egypt is marrying an English girl who has converted to Islam. Infact I think she might be more into it than he is.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    VinylVicky wrote:
    From what I've seen Muslims follow their Religion in this country more than Christians follow theirs but then I don't know as many strict Christians as I know Muslims.
    Every Christian I know, never worships or follows their faith.

    I really should be bringing this up with the other person but I have reasons such as it may no need to come that....

    Has anyone here who is a non muslim had relations with a muslim?
    Are you sure there christians then? :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There are a few strands of Islam, some will take great offence and won't allow the relationship to happen, others will look badly on it but won't be too judgemental.

    I think Judaism is a lot more stricter when it comes to marrying outside religion.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    HIT wrote:
    Are you sure there christians then? :D
    yup - I don't know anyone that goes to church but I know loads of people that go to Mosques. I know far more people who would sign their religion Christain than I do Muslims.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote:

    I think Judaism is a lot more stricter when it comes to marrying outside religion.

    I think this is partly true my jewish friend recently got married and she wasn't allowed to get married in the synagogue and for ages she couldnt' find a rabbi to marry her - even her own uncle refused because she was marrying outside of the religion - even though her children will still be jewish as its passed through the mothers line.

    Excellent wedding though - in the end she found a break away rabbi who married them in the garden of a lovely house under a huppa (sp?) and then we had all the dancing and chairs and everything - SOOOO much fun.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wyetry wrote:
    I think this is partly true my jewish friend recently got married and she wasn't allowed to get married in the synagogue and for ages she couldnt' find a rabbi to marry her - even her own uncle refused because she was marrying outside of the religion - even though her children will still be jewish as its passed through the mothers line.

    Excellent wedding though - in the end she found a break away rabbi who married them in the garden of a lovely house under a huppa (sp?) and then we had all the dancing and chairs and everything - SOOOO much fun.
    ah turned out sweet in the end,. Did her family go?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    my english teacher is married to an isreali woman, who i think is jewish

    i don't think there was a problem as he's spent time over there and can speak hebrew - i know because a girl came to our school from isreal last xmas and he helped her out. And her mother was jewish but her father was another religion - i can't remember what though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My friends boyfriend has recently told his parents that he's been going out with a non-muslim for nearly a year. She said they've talked about finding him a wife in the past, so I'm guessing they're pretty traditional. They've buggered off to India (I think he planned to tell them as they were going though, so they couldn't shout at him). I think more of a problem is the fact that he enjoys quite a lavish lifestyle on their money (still lives with them at 26, goes on several holidays a year etc). I'm not sure how it'll turn out, suffice to say they're not best pleased, and he hasn't been talking to her for a week or so, so I'm guessing he's shitting them.

    Another two of my friends were in a relationship at uni. She's Muslim, he's Jewish, but neither of them are strict. In fact I didn't know she was Muslim until I asked her if she wanted a drink in the pub one night. And he's more culturally Jewish rather than religiously Jewish. But since that was at uni, parents weren't really an issue, even though both had told their parents. But she's from Malaysia, and I think things like arranged marriages are more of a cultural thing specific to certain countries, rather than a religious thing.

    I think it's more of a case that parents are upset that their child doesn't take their religion as seriously as they do, that ends up being the problem, rather than necessarily any prejudice again non-muslims. It's not quite the same thing as bringing a black boyfriend home to meet your racist parents, it's more like saying that you've been paying lip-service to your parents religion (or at least their interpretation of it) for the past few years.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i forgot to say

    there was a female dentist where my mum works, she was from india i think and been divorced from an arranged marriage, she was in her late 30's and her parents were trying to arrange another one. Anyho, she meets this guy from pakistan or somewhere who wasn't muslim. And recently moved over there to get married, only she was telling her parents she was moving to further her career and then tell them after when it's too late.

    It just depends how serious they are.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    like what's been said above...depends on how strict they are. However, I am sure some people would convert to Islam to marry someone if they had to...happens amongst Christians too. It just serves a practical purpose in allowing them to marry under a faith that is acceptable to the family...it doesn't mean the convert necessarily will practice the religion unless they feel they have some sort of obligation to their partner. This happened to my uncle, except he had to convert to Catholicism to marry. He goes to church on a Sunday with the kids as well, but he's not what you would call a devout catholic, just practical.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    VinylVicky wrote:
    ah turned out sweet in the end,. Did her family go?

    Yes her mum was quite supportive as its still keeping the jewish line going and everything but its just a bit crap that they couldn't get married in a synagogue though as it meant lots to her to have a proper wedding.

    ETA though we were talking to her brother in law at the wedding and he was all upset becuase he's half christian half jewish and is going out with a girl from saudi arabia and he knows that the relationship will never last because they come from different religions which is really sad.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wyetry wrote:
    Yes her mum was quite supportive as its still keeping the jewish line going and everything but its just a bit crap that they couldn't get married in a synagogue though as it meant lots to her to have a proper wedding.

    ETA though we were talking to her brother in law at the wedding and he was all upset becuase he's half christian half jewish and is going out with a girl from saudi arabia and he knows that the relationship will never last because they come from different religions which is really sad.
    well if this couple did it, he could? love should conquer all!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    VinylVicky wrote:
    In their Religion, are these allowed to happen or would the non Muslim need to convert?


    I know quite a few muslims who have married non muslims - no big deal.
    And with their parents most would prefer their kids married into the same religion but once their kids reach 30 and still unmarried they just want grand children and don't care who they marry .. lol


    Depends on the individuals involved,.. some people are religous and some aint.

    Plus there are many different kinds of Muslims same as Christians
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hey Vicky, I don't know if you've already looked at this article. It covers the issues concerning mixed religion relationships and has the opinions of some people with experience of these sorts of relationships.
    Hope that's of some use :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I know quite a few muslims who have married non muslims - no big deal.

    I think that is very rare. Some Muslims will 'see' people of other faiths but when it comes down to the nitty-gritty of marriage, most Muslims will insist on their partner taking up Islam. This is because there is enormous pressure even from the extended Muslim family that a marriage outside of Islam could be regarded as a short-cut to apostasy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i always thought that most muslims believed in arranged marrages, or am i mistaken?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    otter wrote:
    i always thought that most muslims believed in arranged marrages, or am i mistaken?

    A lot do, yes, but some are more open about who their children choose to marry within the confines of the religion.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    otter wrote:
    i always thought that most muslims believed in arranged marrages, or am i mistaken?

    There's a whole range of muslims, some very religous and some not at all and some somewhere inbetween.

    A muslim chap I know had an arranged marriage, the first time he was introduced to a distant cousin and he didn't fancy the girl and it didn't go any further .. the 2nd time another girl was introduced, he liked her - she liked him - and they just got on with it and now have a little girl.

    In a way it's kinda nice .. cos it's just people getting on with their lives,.. kinda nice and simple ..

    Most of the people who had an arranged marriage wasn't actually arranged it was two families that thought, hmm,, our kids would make a good match, lets introduce them and see how they get on ..
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There's a whole range of muslims, some very religous and some not at all and some somewhere inbetween.

    Very true. I have found that Muslims from Turkey, for instance, tend to be far more relaxed about their faith but generally Pakistanis are more strict.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teagan wrote:
    Very true. I have found that Muslims from Turkey, for instance, tend to be far more relaxed about their faith but generally Pakistanis are more strict.

    This is because of the nature of the State. Turkey is secular, Pakistan isn't.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    VinylVicky wrote:
    well if this couple did it, he could? love should conquer all!

    I dont' think its as simple as that - if you don't have the support of your family and friends then turing your back on your whole lifestyle and culture to be with someone you love can be a very big step not to mention you could also potentially be putting your own life as well as that of the person you love at risk.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wyetry wrote:
    I dont' think its as simple as that - if you don't have the support of your family and friends then turing your back on your whole lifestyle and culture to be with someone you love can be a very big step not to mention you could also potentially be putting your own life as well as that of the person you love at risk.
    nah it's not simple as that, I just thought with them being from the same family? or did i get that wrong?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think its the Saudi Arabian's girlfriends parents who have the problem with her going out with a christian/jewish bloke not his parents at all.

    In fact the girlfriend hasn't even told her parents she is going out with him for fear of the repercussions.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wyetry wrote:
    I think its the Saudi Arabian's girlfriends parents who have the problem with her going out with a christian/jewish bloke not his parents at all.

    In fact the girlfriend hasn't even told her parents she is going out with him for fear of the repercussions.
    oh I see
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wyetry wrote:
    In fact the girlfriend hasn't even told her parents she is going out with him for fear of the repercussions.

    That's a real shame.

    To be expected, really. Too many "honour" murders.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    That's a real shame.

    To be expected, really. Too many "honour" murders.
    I went to college with a girl that, that happened to :(
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