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Says the man so vocal about the "war on terrorism" but on reads only side of the arguement and had never heard of the main focus of the Islamic extremist ideology.
Point out once, just once in all the threads over all the years which you have been on here Clandestine where you have condemned Palestinian or Arab nation actions towards Israel. Then look at my comments - hell you only have to look at this thread to see condemnation of Israel by me.
Not that I am suggesting that your biased or anything. Consider, over the years, the number of people who have questioned your apparently rabid anti-Isreal stance - not anti-Zionist you'll note. You use that to hide behind.
So, please, proceed with another attempt to patronise me with an essay about Zionist plots. I'll yawn and remember that you only seem to want to read things which you agree with.
You're absolutely I am anti-Israel, as Israel is a state entity which has demonstrated nothing but contempt for the norms of international law (especially those established to judge those who have served as the archetype of Israeli "eternal victimisation") since its founding (and on the part of its founders themselves for their documented intentioned agenda of racist ethnocide and ethnic cleansing of the region for their own political ends).
I do not condemn the right of the indigenous and rightful inhabitants of the land from fighting back against an assymetrically greater force in whatever way they must as is the right of any oppressed people, not least those betrayed by all nations which claim to value "the rule of law" and true pluralistic "democractic principle". A state founded on terrorism which dares to call others terrorists for returning unto it what it has handed out for generations in spades is beyond hypocrisy.
Until Israel:
1. casts out its criminally extremist elements, eschews the doctrines of Zionism - which I strongly suggest you actually educate yourself about beyond your obvious surface and derisive repeated reference to it as inconsequential;
2. acknowledges its generations long racist agenda of ethnic cleansing;
3. and adopts an inclusivist state model (rather than a particularist group-superiority model akin to other such ideologies of the late colonialist era including Naziism and Apartheid) which allows one state for all rightful inhabitants, Muslim and Jew alike to enjoy EQUAL rights in all respects (which it patently does not and has not since its founding)
The potential for reconciliation and the realisation of cooperative creative dynamism for a better future of growth and prosperity will never be realised.
The onus is not upon the Palestinians - for whom the state of Israel has only ever intended complete subjugation or else prolonged systemative dehumnisation, deprivation and ultimately elimination - but solely on the Israelis who began the conflict with terrorism, forced land clearances (aka conquest and theft) and have so maintained it to the present.
Simply because you dont wish to bother actually investigating and researching deeper than the whitewashed, decontextualised mythology that passes for mainstream reporting on the matter, don't presume you have a balanced view in the slightest.
Your need to yawn, once again, demonstrates all the informed need to know about how smugly atop the mentally, intellectually and morally complacent bandwagon you wish to remain.
Enjoy your perch and your slumber along with the far too many others who scratch their heads and wonder why this conflict never ends as they pander to the status quo mainstream propaganda that makes the victims into the villains and leaves them consistently abandoned to Israeli atrocities.
Where did I say "anti-semitic"?
NB Nice to see Zionist in there though
No, it shows them that I don't take your posts seriously because they are so biased. The informed understand that there are two (at least) sides to every argument.
You know, I saw NQA kill about 900 people last night , though i have no evidence. and no money to tell hollywood to make a movie about this for me.
Libel, and false accusation constitute a very serious crime.
You don't take my posts seriously because you simply cannot be arsed to inform yourself as to the actual political contrivances of the Zionist movement from the days of Balfour (admitted in Balfour's own writing), through to their systematic manipulations of (and indeed in documented cases collusion with) events leading up to the Holocaust, further collusion with the Nazi authorities throughout to commence migrations to Palestine (see: "The Tel Aviv") - all to further their political agenda regardless of the cost to those Jews they derided as "assimilated" (many who had no desire to follow the Zionists demands to emigrate because they considered themselves citizens of their respective European nations as they were).
Here is an excellent article which might open your eyes, if you care to do more than call all uncomfortable historical fact, "biased".
http://www.aldeilis.net/zion/zionrac12.html
Until you demonstrate some interest in understanding the entire political context and machinations of the founders of the state of Israel from the outset, your claims of "bias" and "one sided-ness" will continue to be mere intellectual dodges.
And yes, there are two sides to this argument. The historically accurate and contextually comprehensive side and the mainstream, whitewashed mythological side to which you (and those many like you who smugly "yawn" at all attempts to induce you to investigate that "other side") implicitly subscribe by your own dismissiveness.
Yep, you've libelled me - glad you admit you've no evidence however, makes it so much easier in court. Its, however, impossible to libel a state.
Go, on big boy, try to patronise me some more. I know it *does it" for you.
No, I don't take them seriously because, as I have said if you bothered to read, you are biased beyond belief. I might as well ask for Thatcher's perspective on Thatcherism.
You portray yourself as the only person around here who is "informed" and yet you clearly aren't - except on those points your bias agrees with. That isn't being "well read" it's being blinkered.
The situation in the Middle East isn't black and white, good guy bad guy. Hell you are being a simplistic as Bush is about terrorism - "you are either with us" etc. There isn't a cases here of one side committing atrocities whilst the other is innocent - hell there isn't even just two sides.
So go back to the library read some more - something which is going to challenge your beliefs and then see if you don't learn something.
Good luck with that one. Will be worth seeing the court case which names "A Chinese" posting out of.. er... "China" as the defendant :thumb:
I thought you don't have the slightest idea of what libel is, now you get it, just in case you have amnesia, i will write down here "libel is to accuse someone without evidence" .. by the way , you don't libel a state, you false accuse a state.
Keep hiding behind that pet soundbite "biased", its the cop out of preference for the sanitised mainstream mentality so its perfectly fitting.
What I know, and have many times substantiated with concrete reference material, I do so because I have, unlike yourself, taken the time to research.
You on the other hand do nothing but make completely unknowledgeable claims as to my intentions, my motivations and the meanings of the terms I apply which prove you know nothing more than the surface rhetoric of the nightly news.
The sad thing is you are too uninformed and indeed unconcerned to realise how off base on all counts you truly are.
Advice you would do well to actually adhere to yourself. You would need quite some visits to come close to the amount of reading and personal belief challenges I have worked through on the matter over the past 20 years. But then, you emulate our long departed Thanatos too much for there to be much hope you'd actually bother dislodging yourself from the bandwagon long enough to bother.
[edited to add: I even provided you yet another solid factual starting point above to facilitate your self-education, but true to form, you demonstrate nothing more than disregard and dismissal without, rather apparently, having so much as taken the time to reflect on its content, let alone withhold comment until you'd followed up on the numerous additional citations at the end. Bravo!]
Your boycott isn't worth shit. You wrote yourself that at the end of the day, if sick you'd still take the medicine developed and produced in Israel, and erm, as far as I can tell you're using a computer in order to post on these boards - of which the majority have intregrated parts... again developed by Israelis.
And fair enough, go on and associate yourself with vandals. I wonder how your reaction would be if I went to a Palestinian owned shop and started acting like a vandal
Talk about world peace and respect for one another, and you don't even have a bad word to sya about the lack of manners and respect on the smallest of scales. Your criticism isn't worth shit.
Why would you want to cause damage at a Palestinian shop? Have they illegally occupied other people's land for 4 decades and subjected them to a catalogue of atrocities, war crimes and human rights abuses with their overwhelming military superiority?
When they do, I might join you in a boycott against them.
There is nothing wrong with a boycott and you know it. The Israeli state needs to end the occupation and to stop inflicting death and misery on the Palestinians and you know it. And as such, there is absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever with citizens observing a boycott. On the contrary... it is a good thing.
Acts of vandalism do not equal a boycott - which I was stating you don't really observe.
Easy to give up on an orange, but let me see you giving up on your computer or important medication just for the sake of it.
At the end of the day you can boycott all you want - but supporting vandalism is not something I'd be proud of by any means.
I for one even as a student do make an effort to buy Israeli goods, even if it means they're that more expensive than what's on offer. And I know many others who do the same and hell, my friend saw me exchanging a pack of oranges for Jaffa oranges she asked why and the only thing I stated was "I want to support Israeli produce" and from then on she does the same. She has absolutely no ties to the conflict, and no political interest.]
And btw, I have no interest in ruining a Palestinian shop as I have better things to do with my time, and I have values and morals which go against ruining the belonging of others.
You support atheistic, ideological extremists every bit as self-justifying in principle as were the Nazis themselves and are too naive to comprehend that simple consistency of principle.
Your "morality" is for nought.
Shame on mankind for allowing such atrocities to happen and not lift a finger about them.
Israeli children writing 'greeting' messages on shells soon to be dropped on the Arabs
Sickening. :no: