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The death penalty...your views please
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I think that now we can prove, with DNA testing and suchlike, that someone who is guilty of a crime such as murder, rape etc should be put to death.
Why keep these evil and dangerous people alive at the tax payers expense?
Why keep these evil and dangerous people alive at the tax payers expense?
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finger prints were just as fiddleable.
many bent coppers around.
and if you asked lifers if they'd rather die ...many would say yes ...especialy the sex offenders doing life ...so why give them the pleasure?
and why does cost always come into these discussions?
Maybe because to kill someone is much cheaper than sending someone to prison. It's about £24,000 per year to keep someone in prison.
It doesn't just some have a problem with it
but ...pinch a shit load of money ...and you get thirty years.
I prefer criminals to be punished...call me old fashioned.
You don't think anybody has the 'right' to take someone's life? - But you support taking away someone's liberty for the rest of their life. Sounds oxymoronic to me. I might agree that life imprisonment is a harsher penalty, the death penalty somehow being the easy way out - but when scum like this, sentenced to 'life' may serve as little as 15 years 'taking away a persons liberty for the rest of [their] life' doesn't happen when it should.
So? Britain is not a colony of the EU, Parliament can at any time repeal the European Communities Act (which automatically incorporates EU law into UK law bypassing Westminster and pissing on the notion of parliamentary sovereignty...but technically at any time we can end our association with the bureaucrats in Brussels by repealing it). Anyway the death penalty would probably only ever be reintroduced by a government that had terminated EU membership so it's not particularly relevant.
Promoting the death penalty as a cheaper option is flawed; in the US in many states that use the death penalty it's been found that death penalty trials, keeping somebody on death row and appeals is more expensive than a typical non-capital murder case.
I don't support the death penalty as a standard sentence for murder but I think a separate first degree murder category should be created and I think for that and for acts of terrorism hanging should be an option.
er i think you misunderstood my post mate.
I said the death penalty isnt a punishment and that I prefer criminals to be punished....
take a look at the personalities that have and do inhabit those suits.
they don't handle my money very well ...they repeatedly fail to handle law and order very well ...they take part in wars that the people and even the members of parliament disagree with ...but somehow it's ok giving these bozos the power to kill us?
Well technically to imprison somebody they must be guilty beyond all reasonable doubt...
And it's very spurious to claim that there is no case where it is proven beyond absolutely all reasonable doubt that someone is guilty. One or two doubtful cases doesn't make the rule.
What if somebody was imprisoned for life and died in prison? Posthumously their innocence was then revealed. The injustice is no worse than incorrectly executing somebody.
No, but one case where they were wrong is enough to break the rule.
Even though mankind is still barbarian in many ways, step by step we're becoming a little more civilised. The death penalty belongs in the past, just as torture, the burning of witches or imprisoment of non-believers and homosexuals does.
It's somebody's own fault if they die of old age after being given a life sentence for a crime they didn't commit? :rolleyes:
No it's not. It wouldn't have been wrong to execute Hitler (had he not committed suicide) because mistakes have been made in a small number of other executions.
In this case the perpetuator was caught red-handed on CCTV, his guilt has been proven beyond absolutely all reasonable doubt. In such a case as this one it's a worthless argument to base opposition to the death penalty on some historic case where a mistake was made. In this case there quite clearly has been no mistake...There are many good arguments against the death penalty but yours is not one of them.
Prison protects the public from people that might kill again. If there's a problem with this, then it can be fixed, but to kill people because the system is flawed seems like a pretty stupid reason. I agree with the general consensus that the authorities couldn't run a sweet shop between them, so I'm really not in favour of putting them in charge of people's lives as well.
That and the fact that murder, is a barbaric act that belongs in the dark ages, and that includes 'official' murders. Just because it has the required effect (and even that's arguable), doesn't mean that it's in any way moral. Torture and extortion can also have the desired effect, but neither of these are acceptable either.
but of recent, ive changed my mind. you can never be certain someone is guilty, you never know what evidence might pop up in the future. It would be too easy to rig things up to get a person killed.
Its best to let them stew in prison than to kill them then find out they are not actually guilty. YOu can let them out but you cant bring them back to life. I for one would be extremely pissed off if i was killed as a wrongly accused, not to mention dead.
The justice system on te other hand....i dont agree with the present at all, its so flawed.