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Its a similar argument though, there are bits in the Bible that the varst majority of Christians dont think is relevant anymore and now ignore, which is what most Muslims do too, but both books have passages in them which you could use to justify horrid actions.
It says in a number of places in the New Testament something to the effect of Romans 12:19-20 (NIV) 'Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to aveng; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: 'If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.' "
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!
carry on.
Which is what I was saying earlier, the Koran is (in its teachings) quite like the Old Testiment, but unlike the Bible which has been mellowed by the influence of the New Testiment the Koran hasnt.
If Alabama or somewhere else where fundamentalist Christianity was big was to suffer a total breakdown in civil society similar to what's happened in Afghanistan over the last quarter century, then I think it's likely that the nutjob preachers would pick up a lot more followers, just like the Taliban did.
It's not so much the individual exhortations of thew differing religions, it's more that you have to be barking fucking mad to even consider it as true in any way shape or form.
Like a certain other belief I despise, it requires you to see things that aren't there, hear things when there is no sound, imagine a great big beard in the sky watching your every move etc etc.
In short, it's the installation of schizophrenia. People who see things that aren't there don't make the best decisions....
Santa Claus?
Someone once claimed to me that getting your kids to believe in the big beardy guy was a form of child abuse. :chin:
War Veterans and so forth... they'd know if anyone knows.
http://www.mosnews.com/images/p/8276.shtml
Ridiculous, so every terror attack done in the name of Islam would have been commited by the same people if they were atheists?
Fiend is a nutter :yes:
Well... I want to say "duh"
Fiend is actually on record for saying that? Meep.
Hmmm...there were certainly plans for an oil pipeline through Afghanistan. Not sure if it ever got built.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1984459.stm (from 2002)
Why do you think some Muslims become bombers, is it some flaw in Islam or is it perhaps because they are angry young men who want a cause to belive in?
Is it really any different from the angry young men bombers from the IRA or ETA?
No, of course it isnt, the religion isnt a reason its an excuse. If religion was the problem all Muslims would be bombers which they obviously arent.
To sya they are angry young men who wnat something belive in, like thery are some poor misguided sould who lost there way but are good people underneath is wrong.
Its not like IRA at all.
They are fanatical, and the key to that fanaticism is their relgion. To underestimate is in invite death.
Such a litereal inetrpretation and devotion to that religion leads them to become these suicide bombers and terrorists.
Except for the top levels o fthe terrorist organisations, they are a bit more then just follwers obvioulsy, but even then its relgiion that plays the part.
Osama is not some freedom fighter against the big bully Americans. he is a religious zealot and his attacks, is based on fighting the Christians and Jews. He said so. Its holy war to him. Religion plays its part.
They are terrorists, plain and simple, they want to use death and terror to get their wants. Thats exactly the same as virtually every other terrorist group there has ever been.
Their methods are a little different, and they rap it up in lots of important sounding religion but its the same thing - you dont believe what I believe I must bully or kill you into submission.
Also while the IRA did have bombing campagins, they never used suicide bombers and often gave warnings so people could be evactuated before hand. It was more on a destrcution of propertry and the establishment.
They had a clear political aim and political ties. While Al-Quida are more focused on the death and desruction side then having clear aims.
The IRA's was on some level, an obtrainable gaol. It wasn't impossible they could get what they want, but Al-Quida's is impossible.
Different methods asw ell.
A totally different animal.
thtas why the intellgences services have problems finding info and such as they geared to IRA and Cold war etchniques then this new breed of terror.
Just because they seem to have killed more people doesnt make them any different really, its the same methods to similar ends.
We disagree so I'm going to bomb/kill you till we both agree with my point of view.
Look at FARC in Colombia or Shinning Path or ETA or..... the list goes on, all the same.
My point is, you can't say these are poor angry young men, innocents who have lost the path liek they are some bad school boy or give excuses for their behaviour.
Maybe, who know's, they certainly had a nasty grudge against us, but thats not really the point, the aims are secondary to the methods.
I made no judgement on them at all, I dont see how you can say they are anything other than angry young men, thats what they are.
Look at the profile of virtually all people who get involved in terrorism, they are early to mid-20's out of work angry men. Quite often virgins who are bad with women.
Oh and the organisers are largely engineering graduates.
What part of 'angry young men' do you disagree with and why?
At the risk of sounding like klintock - that's the same as every government there has ever been too.