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they say university is full of wannabe socialists
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was stuck in an argument today, i'm considering going into college teaching after uni to teach chemistry or maths - i got criticised by almost everyone cause i said i'd never teach in a private school 
what's so wrong in that? if i had to get paid 20k/year instead of 35k/yr i'd do it
almost all private schools maintain the 'elite' effectively by sponging the trained teachers(who were trained entirely in the state sector) and the brightest students(by their ever so 'charitable' bursaries), but to most people at my university, their end wages matter more than anything dont they dreams other than wealth?
rant over
what's so wrong in that? if i had to get paid 20k/year instead of 35k/yr i'd do it
almost all private schools maintain the 'elite' effectively by sponging the trained teachers(who were trained entirely in the state sector) and the brightest students(by their ever so 'charitable' bursaries), but to most people at my university, their end wages matter more than anything
dont they dreams other than wealth?rant over
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Personally I think the poverty gap is a huge cause of problems in the UK...
So what if no one else agrees with you? Do what you want to do.
Cherie Blair is a human rights lawyer. 'nuff said about thier wages...
you.....dirty......commie :banghead:
(uni is so full of wannabe socialists
I ask why because I'm not convinced you adequately explained why teaching in the state sector demonstrates any different ideals from teaching in the independent sector...
Why do they work to live though? Why does the majority of the people do the majority of the work but get the minority of wage packets...yes they work to live but it shouldn't be like that
Even if we all lived in a hippy happy commune, we'd only be ploughing the fields and milking the cows in order to eat - not for the pleasure of it.
I don't know it's hard to explain, but it's how i feel.
No we wouldn't...why do you think money is even necessary...in real terms it's just as valuable as the leaves that grow on trees.
I'm not saying I know all the answers because for some brilliant utopian like idea there'll be many flaws, i'm just saying that if you have a passion then go for it, money is fairly inconsequential.
Of course you should ideally go into a job you will enjoy, but sometimes we all end up in jobs that pay the bills but don't satisfy us beyond that.
And I believe it is a bit naive to say now that you will work with the poor and needy and change their lives by sacrificing your own material comfort. It's an honourable declaration to commit yourself to a lifelong career in the public sector, but a lot of people change their views after a little while in the job. We'll see...
Can't you work it out?
I think people get more pleasure if they have control over what they do and when they do it.
Private schooling directly benefits poor people. Indirectly you might be able to argue that it is damaging in some long-run manner, sustaining inequality etc, but that isn't a done and dusted argument by any means.
So I don't see why you would consider working in state schools to be 'better' in a moral sense.
If all teachers refused to work in private schools, that sector would collapse, the immediate result of which would be to hurt the poorest people.
I am always distrustful of 'morality' that applies to the individual action but wouldn't apply to the group action.........
Now I'd love you to explain how a schooling system that is directly dependent on NOT being poor "directly benefits poor people".
It might benefit a hand full of so called "poor kids", but only those who manage to get through on scholarships and the like. The majority of kids at private school come from financially secure families, who obviously can afford this type of education.
In response to the original poster, work where you like, it's your choice. Personally I think that you can still receive a level of satisfaction from teaching in a private school as well as a typical comp. I think as a teacher you should want to teach any children, regardless of their social class or whatever. Obviously the salary isn't going to be the only factor, but for me at least, it might play a part.
You've excelled yourself this time.
Private schools are paid for by the kids parents principally.
Thus these people are paying for their own kids education and paying their taxes that go towards everyone elses educations.
If there were no private schools then all the private kids educations would have to be paid for by the state, they would have to build new schools, pay the teachers etc.
This would require more taxes.
This would directly hurt poor people.
Whether you like it or not the richer people who send their kids to private schoold are helping everyone else out of their own pockets.
Hence the direct effect is beneficial.
Of course there are arguments baout equality of opportunity, reinforcing social division etc as I aknowledged. Whether this indirect effect outweighs the direct benefit is debatable in my opinion......
it does reinforce social divisons, adds kudos to children of wealthier parents, poaches teachers, provides no means for average ability average wealth children to get poached teachers or smaller class sizes
the best thing we can make use of as our birth rate is falling is that class sizes will fall naturally, however the government has seen this an oppurtunity to reduce staff numbers long term (from a report from last year can't find it)
and as they give extremely bright children almost free entry (to boost their overall results obviously) - the students in normal schools fail to see a large minority suceeding and reinforces an attitude of 'why bother' which is the plague of normal schools
Just what I thought when I read that.
The poor are benefitted because the rich pay taxes? Well, gee, isn't that nice of them- rich people putting something into society.
And they pay taxes without going to the school! Can you feel the generosity there! I help poor children too, then, because I pay tax too!
Blagsta is right, you have excelled yourself this time.