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http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/177/177871_the_speeding_lie_that_cost_11000.htmlA PROFESSIONAL couple are £11,000 out of pocket after they tried to dodge two £60 speeding fines by inventing a driver from Bulgaria to fool police.
The wife even flew to Bulgaria to send a postcard to her husband from the phantom driver.
Police exposed the "elaborate" web of lies of chartered surveyors Stewart and Cathryn Bromley, who dreamed up the Bulgarian in a complex scam to escape paying the fines.
That'll teach the tight-fisted greedy cheats
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Odd people indeed.
That is amusing, though.
That's disturbing, Al. It's not like they actually did anyone any harm is it?
Still it is pretty idiotic, there are allsorts of loophole websites and so on out there if you really want to not pay.
Perhaps not if the insurance on a merc is taken into consideration.
Motorways should be declassified from speed restrictions. If it's safe and legal for me to drive a Golf at 120 in Germany then why isn't it here?
There are many dual carriageway roads that are not motorways. There is always an argument about giving a bit of licence on the speed limit (say doing 70 on a 60 zone), but someone doing 100 on a dual carriageway (not to mention 50mph 'single lane' roads) deserves to have the book thrown at them.
And of course it's much worse if they are in an urban area.
Could have - didn't. In fact, they proved that it's safe to speed. That's why speeding fines are stupid in the first place.
Here's an interesting one for you - if you are innocent until proven guilty, then how can you be stopped for speeding until you have been convicted?
Because.......?
And I know where you are trying to go with this, but frankly I am not interested in embarking in an libertarian/utopian argument about the 'existence' of laws. Break the law- pay for it if caught.
Then why does the law exist at all then?
No, it's been done to death i quite agree, you failed to provide evidence for any of your assertions and still clung to your beliefs, like a good fanatic should. Meh...whatever - your loss, entirely.
This, however, isn't about that.
Even stupid laws? Even unfair laws? Even laws that contradict other laws? Are you some kind of robot that just does what it's told?
Look - the law (leaving all my usual caveats aside for a moment) is there to protect us from each other or some shit like that. It shouldn't be a revenue grabbing exercise or a tax on those in a hurry.
If the limit is 50 then it's normally there because the road has had accidents, yeah. The national single-carriageway limit is 60, and on country lanes I know and can see on I'll quite happily go a bit faster.
But on motorways and grade-separated dual carriageways going fast is not an issue. The "safety" cameras there are simply there as cash cows for the police.
In urban areas speeding is not safe, and should be punished. But its odd, isn't it, how all the speed cameras are on fast roads, not outside my house where a six-year-old boy got mown down by a speeder last summer.
I'm just sweating on a speeding fine at the minute, I was doing 75mph on a dual carriageway to get past a digger and I didn't see the "safety" van openly hiding in a tree. They should be out catching muggers and rapists.
Yes, of course it would. I would fully support a law that allowed restitution, punishment for those who had done genuine damage and which was served up under a real system of justice. - i.e. having genuine plaintiffs, defendants, no corporations yadda yadda used to be called common law until we were all sold into equity to the banks.
If the speeders in this case had killed or injured someone and they had been going over what I would have in place as guidelines, then they would be treated as negligent murderers or guilty of assault. To say that breaking the guidelines is a finable offence but that breaking them and killing someone isn't murder is to fall between two stools.
It would then be up to individuals to decide whether doing life/providing ample restitution was worth it to go that little bit quicker.
See below:
I rest my case
You should do some thinking in future first though, eh?
These laws protect nobody.
No one was hurt, so there was no one to protect or to get restitution for.
Those laws protect road users from twats thinking they are good drivers and can drive at any speed they want, resulting in many of those muppets losing control and killing themselves and someone else.
Enough people die due to useless speeding tossers as it is.
Perhaps the couple in question were only going 5 mph over the limit, in which case you could argue the fine is overzelaous/unfair. But perhaps they were doing 75mph in a 40mph, or 50 in a 30. In which case the fine is very deserving indeed.
Utopia is that way > > >
How very authoritarian of you.
Thank you for the compliment.
Really? Then how come this couple got fined? Oh that's right they were speeding! The law stops nothing. You can only make things right afterwards. But why am I wasting my breath? You are one of those people who thinks that potential injury is the same as actual injury, and that imaginary people are the same as real ones. :rolleyes:
I thought the law stopped them?
Not at all. I would argue that it was totally fucking pointless. Unless you wanted some cash from them of course, which is what this is all about.
In your opinion, which is all the law is anyway, someone's opinions, written down. Now, why does the thought of using violence to enforce opinion on people leave me cold but not bother you?
Well, I actually think there is no crime at all, but that's been done to death as we already said.
I am grounded in the real world because I have no choice Al. You are the one who can see a "better tomorrow" and are rushing off to get there.
Funny how the very same people who always bang about zero tolerance about crime and blah blah blah appear to demand the right to break the law and not be punished when it comes to something they enjoy- like speeding.
Back in Athens, there were no fixed judges. People chose someone they both considered to be a neutral third party. There are other ways, of course.
The law stops many would-be speeders, yes. And those who don't and get caught, pay for it. Simple as.
If there were no speed laws (and indeed traffic laws) the number of dead people on the road due to negliglent/incompetent drivers would by tens of times higher. Undeniable fact.
And as such, the speeding laws protect you, me and others from many potential idiots losing control due to excessive speed and causing accidents. Undeniable fact.
Speeding laws = protecting road users and pedestrians alike.
Undeniable fact
End of.
Welcome to planet earth. I'm sorry it has to be this way for you... It truly must be hell.
What violence would that be?
Well I'm glad it is only a few of you in the entire world who think in such way...
I don't know how much flights cost, but it may have been worth it to avoid the licence points (especially if he already had some).
Given what I do all day that's not too likely is it? I am not programmed, quite the reverse.
I doubt that. I don't know many who don't speed, as point of fact, they just do it as conditions allow. Not needing laws to know what's sensible like most folks.
I say it would be ten times lower. Think about it.
I see your "undeniable" and raise you a "how about some evidence". You are talking bobbins. Idiots remain idiots regardless of the law. Speeders speed despite it.
How, exactly? Apart from in your head, that is.
It's funny but most people describe me as "jolly".
Such a shame I am in the good company of most of your "leaders" who also only see realpolitik as the only barrier to doing what they want.
Still, if you are happy to throw your support behind those who wish to use violence against those who have done nothing wrong, you are free to do so.
Is that just when you are near them like everyone else? Most of the drivers I see immediately put their foot down once they are past them to make up their lost time.
Quite how average speed and road awareness would decrease if you removed all the laws I would love to hear.
Anyway - have a real world example of how removing trafic laws and signs makes the whole thing work better from our friends the dutch -
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.12/traffic.html
Intersting Aritcle in Auto Express, ( I reads it.) only a small percentage of them actually work. So there, most lack any film.
Gotta laugh at that though... I fought the Law, and the Law won. I fought the Law, and the Law won.
which means if they actualy bothered to put them in therightplace they could have good effect but they never do.