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Scottish Independence

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
addicted7 wrote:
Norway's prosperity is very much due to wealth from resources, namely oil in the North Sea. Interestingly Scotland has more oil than Norway, but it cannot exploit it's potential due to the greed of England, Scotland being non-independent and all.

Potentially Scotland could be one of the best countries to live in Europe if it was independent, which is ironic, because the English often taunt the Scottish nationalists saying 'You'd be nothing without us, let's see how you'd cope on your own'. Theoretically Scotland would cope quite admirably on their own and would probably have enough money left over to help deprived areas of their poor English neighbours. Afterall it would make sense for Scotland to have a strong and prosperous neighbour with whom they conduct most of their trade.
True? Should Scotland have its independence and be allowed to prosper (for the 50 years till the oil runs out)?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if that's what the majority of the people want. However all the things I've seen suggest most are happy with a devolved Parliament within the UK
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There is a lot of debate as to how rich Scotland would be, I think from what I have heard Addicted7 is painting a rosey picture of what Scotland would be like.

    They have a massive percentage of employed people working for the government and huge healthcare costs.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    One day maybe, but not in the immediate future. And as Kentish said, the oil is finite and won't last forever. There are so many difficulties associated with breaking up countries that have been as one for centuries.

    I would love to see an independent Scotland, but I am afraid it is not as simple as some Nationalists here make out. And the rest of britian doesnt want Scotland to break up, because they will be left with a daft looking flag. ;)

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would love to see an independent Scotland, but I am afraid it is not as simple as some Nationalists here make out. And the rest of britian doesnt want Scotland to break up, because they will be left with a daft looking flag.

    I hate to be pedantic but just because Scotland became independent doesn't mean we have to get rid of the Scottish Saltire. We didn't get rid of St patrick's Cross when Ireland split up.

    That said we could make the flag look really stupid looking by adding the Welsh Dragon and the Red Hand of Ulster. :eek:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NQA wrote:
    That said we could make the flag look really stupid looking by adding the Welsh Dragon and the Red Hand of Ulster. :eek:

    I dont know, the Red Hand of Ulster fisting the Welsh Dragon could look good.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    I dont know, the Red Hand of Ulster fisting the Welsh Dragon could look good.

    :o

    Unusual...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The notion of oil creating mass wealth for Scotland is misfounded. The oilfields belong to US business, the British government sold them off decades back.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if they want independance so much why not eh
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Would Scotland be able to survive economically without the help of the rest of the UK?

    The same with Wales...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Would Scotland be able to survive economically without the help of the rest of the UK?

    The same with Wales...

    No. Same as the North East wouldn't either. In fact most of the UK other than the South East and London would have trouble.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    We spent AGES making Scotland part of the UK already.

    Plus, they'd get alot of the SAS and alot of Nuclear subs, nukes, and Ports. It just isn't going to happen.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Plus, they'd get alot of the SAS and alot of Nuclear subs, nukes, and Ports. It just isn't going to happen.

    How do you work that out? Its the Royal Navy, unless they still wanted to have the Queen as Head of State I'd say all those subs, nukes etc. were ours.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No. Same as the North East wouldn't either. In fact most of the UK other than the South East and London would have trouble.

    As would London. It relies on the rest of the UK, not only for people, but because if the UK was reduced to London and the South East all the multi-nationals would locate their HQs to Germany.
    We spent AGES making Scotland part of the UK already.

    Who is we? It was a Scottish king who took over England and the Act of Union was voted on by a Scottish Parliament. They have more MPs per head of population, the Prime Minister is Scottish, so is the Chancellor. The Queen is more Scottish than English
    How do you work that out? Its the Royal Navy, unless they still wanted to have the Queen as Head of State I'd say all those subs, nukes etc. were ours.

    No reason why they shouldn't have the Queen as the head of state. Anyway not that it would matter - Canada, Australia et al also have the Queen as head of state, but I suspect they would be rather pissed off if the RN decided their shipping belonged to the Brits. Also when you say 'ours' Scottish taxpayers also paid for those shipping and so some of them must belong to Scotland.

    I'm not even a devolutionist, never mind a seperatist, but when I see some of the comments uttered by the English and do wonder if the nationalist parties have a point.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NQA wrote:
    As would London. It relies on the rest of the UK, not only for people, but because if the UK was reduced to London and the South East all the multi-nationals would locate their HQs to Germany.

    Who is we? It was a Scottish king who took over England and the Act of Union was voted on by a Scottish Parliament. They have more MPs per head of population, the Prime Minister is Scottish, so is the Chancellor. The Queen is more Scottish than English.

    Huh? Why would they move, if we dumped the rest of the country we could lower taxes. And why Germany?

    The Prime Minister Scottish, have I missed something?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:

    The Prime Minister Scottish, have I missed something?

    Tony Blair is from Scotland. He was educated in England.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Huh? Why would they move, if we dumped the rest of the country we could lower taxes. And why Germany?

    Most multi-national settled in London for several reasons, a major one being that London is the capital of a major part of Europe (ie the UK). If it was just London and South-east London will find it more difficult to attract the creme from the rest of the UK, and would loose the major economic hubs in the North (contrary to the London view the rest of the UK is not made up off starving, ill-educated peasent, working down t'pit for a shilling a day'.

    Now admittedly it might be France rather than Germany they move to (or even Rome p'haps), but a London which is little bigger than Belgium looses a lot of it attractiveness.
    The Prime Minister Scottish, have I missed something?

    http://www.answers.com/topic/tony-blair

    Born Edinburgh, Scotland. Educated at Fettes, the Scots equivalent to Eton.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would say quite the opposite, a London and South East area by itself would be better off, would have more tax revenue which could be spent on roads/rail/tube/etc. and given free trade agreements would be effectively no different from now.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I could say a lot regarding this, 1 thing though Tony Blair was educated at Fettes a well known private expensive school in Edinburgh, so maybe thats edinburgh for you, on the one hand Irvine Welsh and on the other Mr Blair.

    As for independence well thats an essey, beitn half scottish and half english and livinh the nooo in scotland, Id consider my self knowledgable on this,
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    bongbudda wrote:
    How do you work that out? Its the Royal Navy, unless they still wanted to have the Queen as Head of State I'd say all those subs, nukes etc. were ours.

    Like all the Soviet reublics gave the stuff back to Russia? :p

    If they are on thier land, i'd daresay they'd keep them. Plus alot of the SAS guys ARE Scottish.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Like all the Soviet reublics gave the stuff back to Russia? :p

    If they are on thier land, i'd daresay they'd keep them. Plus alot of the SAS guys ARE Scottish.

    No, I say we march up there and take them back, put up a big sod off wall and let you get on with it by yourself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    No, I say we march up there and take them back, put up a big sod off wall and let you get on with it by yourself.

    Yea, that wall would be a great idea.

    Keep the English out when they come crawling back looking for oil and money from their prosperous neighbours. ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    addicted7 wrote:
    Keep the English out when they come crawling back looking for oil and money from their prosperous neighbours. ;)

    Left alone you'd all die from heart disease before the age of 30 anyway.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not scottish but what's an independent Scotland got to do with heart disease?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    addicted7 wrote:
    I'm not scottish but what's an independent Scotland got to do with heart disease?

    They have a cancer/obesity/heart disease/lard rate much higher than England because they deep fry everything.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not much higher than England. I think Scotland is second worst for heart disease in the world and England is third or fourth worst. Hardly anything to be proud about.

    Still though, what's that got to do with independence.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    addicted7 wrote:
    Still though, what's that got to do with independence.

    Not a huge amount, but they do deep fry pizza, surely any society which does that can not survive without the better influence of us English.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    Not a huge amount, but they do deep fry pizza, surely any society which does that can not survive without the better influence of us English.

    :lol::lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You thought up Cricket. That is unforgiveable.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    :rolleyes: Who would have guessed this would have turned into a nationality bashing thread :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Panthro wrote:
    :rolleyes: Who would have guessed this would have turned into a nationality bashing thread :rolleyes:
    I'm not bashing anyone. I can forgive the English for all the shit they caused way back when, I can forgive them for killing William Wallace, I can even forgive them for the Scouse accent. But Cricket...I can't forgive them for that.
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