people praise self reliance

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self reliance did aid the 'american dream' - however it also causes rape assault and gang running when the law is removed as people self need ovrrides everything, charming place!

im just bored

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You mean that before the US existed there was no rape, assault or weapon's smuggling :shocking:

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It is also most interesting to compare reactions from US officials to looting incidents in Iraq against looting incidents in New Orleans:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1562649,00.html

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NQA wrote:

You mean that before the US existed there was no rape, assault or weapon's smuggling :shocking:

No I think what is meant is that it promotes a "me first" attitude whereas in times like this a "society first" approach would be better...

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But when society breaks down (however temporarily) I don't think the US is worse than more socialist societies. Unfortunately when law and order go there's always a lot of people willing to take advanatage of this

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Aladdin wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1562649,00.html

Cracking quote in there...

""Negro poverty is not white poverty," explained President Lyndon Johnson in a speech to Howard University in 1965. "Many of its causes and many of its cures are the same. But there are differences - deep, corrosive, obstinate differences, radiating painful roots into the community and into the family and the nature of the individual. These differences are not racial differences. They are solely and simply the consequence of ancient brutality, past injustice and present prejudice. They are anguishing to observe. For the negro they are a constant reminder of oppression."

40 years on and little changes, does it? Other than the apparent blindness towards what Johnson could see so clearly... I can't imagine for one minute that the incumbent even has the mental capacity to see things from anyone else's perspecive like LBJ does in that one comment...

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Man Of Kent wrote:

Cracking quote in there...

""Negro poverty is not white poverty," explained President Lyndon Johnson in a speech to Howard University in 1965. "Many of its causes and many of its cures are the same. But there are differences - deep, corrosive, obstinate differences, radiating painful roots into the community and into the family and the nature of the individual. These differences are not racial differences. They are solely and simply the consequence of ancient brutality, past injustice and present prejudice. They are anguishing to observe. For the negro they are a constant reminder of oppression."


40 years on and little changes, does it? Other than the apparent blindness towards what Johnson could see so clearly... I can't imagine for one minute that the incumbent even has the mental capacity to see things from anyone else's perspecive like LBJ does in that one comment...

did anyone read the commentry in the independant, i found i rather erm bigotted

here it is i dont have a subscription though, it says the black people are lazy there whilst the other immigrants are willing to work from the bottom up - im sure theres individuals with attitudes like this but blaming the whole black community?
http://comment.independent.co.uk/columnists_a_l/bruce_anderson/article310246.ece

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Can't read it, not logged in.

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Man Of Kent wrote:

No I think what is meant is that it promotes a "me first" attitude whereas in times like this a "society first" approach would be better...

but the idea of self reliance is very different from a "me first" attitude. the former is a positive character trait that has made many a culture strong, the latter is a product of greed and consumerism.