john the hippy.

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where do you get your information from ...like telling people that heroin is brown cos of the brick dust ...that it leaves afghanistan as white heroin?
just very curious seeing as you are always trying to impress people with your 'knowledge'.
wrong information in such a forum can be dangerous ...

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some very nice moroccan about at the mo ...very clean.

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how you know whats going about when you dont touch it anymore?

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well whatever rolls status as a user that the principal reason for alot of street heroin being brown is not brick dust...

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Brown heroin is in a slightly different form to white, made that way so it can be more easily smoked.

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Blagsta wrote:

Brown heroin is in a slightly different form to white, made that way so it can be more easily smoked.

With pure diamorphine isnt the temperature between vapourising and oxidisation too close so that if you try and smoke it it just knackers?

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>>>>like telling people people tyhat heroin is brown becouse of the brick dust<<<

i never wrote that. i wrote heroin is white but is brown becouse of added adulterants (excluding brick dust)

As it's only shyster street dealers that add brick dust, to sell onto vulnerable people who just want a whack.

you know, the guys that go into the groin with the green and are clucking. (deperado time)

Hey, please get your facts right if you wanna slag or slate me off and try to make look like a mug.

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........dont i get a.....

yes sorry john, your right

or

yes john, i made a mistake and jumped to wrong conclusions to jump down your neck, and i now realise that what you wrote was correct.

i wont hold me breath.

Jaded

john the hippy wrote:

i never wrote that. i wrote heroin is white but is brown becouse of added adulterants (excluding brick dust)

But it isn't.

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>>but it isn't<<

Hello Jade, can you be a little more consice?



Have you not heard of China White? (60's, 70's and early 80's)

or do you mean that every brown dealer adds brick dust to their batch?

dont you think that they'd get sussed and get given a slap or at least a wide berth.



dont let me brainwash you, have a look at what my good friends across the pond have to say...................


http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/heroin/

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john the hippy wrote:

>>>> i wrote heroin is white but is brown becouse of added adulterants

.

the adulterants are not added . it's the process and the chemicals and the lack of a need to purify it cos it is manufactured for smoking.

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by the way i'm not trying to make you look stupid ...
i want to know where you get the info you give out on here cos it is quite often wrong ...as has been pointed out by a number of posters.

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I think he just looks stuff up on Google and posts the first thing he finds.

Jaded

As Mr Roll says, heroin isn't brown because of additives, it is brown because of the way it is processed. I can't see that anything in your link supports your view that it's colour is due to additives.

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Apparently caffeine is added to brown heroin to help it burn properly or something. But, iirc, brown heroin is processed differently to make it smokeable.

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Pure heroin is a white powder with a bitter taste. It also comes in tablets, as a liquid or in sealed glass ampoules. (Pyseptone) To the physician, it's a drug that stops pain in patients with serious illnesses, as well as being a cough suppressant. Most illicit heroin is a powder which may vary in color from white through cream to yellow, pink, light or dark brown, or gray, depending on what was used to "cut" it, and because of impurities left from the manufacturing process or the presence of additives. Brown heroin is intended for smoking and is usually mixed with caffeine during manufacture to help release the drug at high temperatures for absorption by the body. Heroin bought illegally from street dealers is usually impure and in the form of a powder or a solid rock which needs to be crushed down.



Pure heroin is rarely sold on the street, although when it is it normally results in deaths due to the users being unaware of the strength (having being used to the lower grade). A batch may contain only a percentage of heroin. The remainder could (?) be anything eg; sugars, starch, powdered milk, or quinine. Unfortunately due to some shyster dealers, it could also be something more sinister like brick dust. Traditionally the purity of heroin in a bag has ranged from 1 to 10 percent as everyone knows. More recently, heroin purity has ranged from one to ninety-eight percent, with a national average of over 50% (according to Drug scope)


There is also black tar like heroin available on the American market (Mexican) but i dont particularly know that much about it.


Now, kiddies, there is only one way to clarify this above information, and that's for someone to foreward it to specialist worker (Heroin). LadyJade does indeed have the telephone number and a contact via an e-mail address. But at the end of the day, who cares a johnathan Ross?


BTW; China White anyone? (circa 60's, 70's and early 80's)

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john the hippy wrote:

BTW; China White anyone? (circa 60's, 70's and early 80's)

Its just a slang term, for either white heroin from the Far East, or more rarely for fentanyl which made its way into the heroin supply chain for a while, or at least I think it was fentanyl, it may have been one of the other stupidly strong sythetic opiates.

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>>>>by the way i'm not trying to make you look stupid ...<<<

Accepted, but you could be more polite.





>>>>i want to know where you get the info you give out on here cos it is quite often wrong ...as has been pointed out by a number of posters<<<<

What info was ever wrong, enlighten me. I'll be back on here around 4 ish tonite.


(1) with regards to crack and cannabis post, as i wrote the other day, i did indeed include either 'reported in the media' or 'in todays Evening Standard.

(2) With regards to the drug squad officer being pensioned off with crack/ heroin addicition, it was reported on BBC London News and printed in the Evening Standard and in the Guardians G2. Again, i took an interest for the reason that i have in the past employed roles, worked around the area and have also in the past liased with them; Operation Wellywn, based at King X. Drug and vice. (The also serve ASBO's on crack dens in Camden and close them down) But, if you want to clarify this, then spend thirty pence and phone Scotland Yard press office, and speak to Peirre (used to be the press officer) as he will indeed clarify that this info is correct. (She was entered into rehab/detox and then pensioned off with 50k ...ish.

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Hello Bong,

you could be right, you could be wrong.

but i do know that China White wouldn't be pure white (like cocaine) and that it was top quality gear.

hence, the term white instead of brown.

Jaded

john the hippy wrote:

Now, kiddies, there is only one way to clarify this above information, and that's for someone to foreward it to specialist worker (Heroin). LadyJade does indeed have the telephone number and a contact via an e-mail address. But at the end of the day, who cares a johnathan Ross?


BTW; China White anyone? (circa 60's, 70's and early 80's)

Or alternatively, for the internet literate amongst us, have a look at the Drugscope heroin information page, or the Release heroin information pages, both of which are well researched, respected and accurate sources of UK based information. The NTA has information about treatments for drug abuse and the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime has just released the World Drug Report with statistics about the drug trade. From the report -

The World Drug Report 2005 provides one of the most comprehensive overviews of illicit drug trends at the international level. In addition, this year it presents the work of UNODC in two new areas of research. Both aim to provide tools to enrich our understanding of an immensely complex situation: an estimate of the financial value of the world drug market, and the preliminary steps towards the creation of an illicit drug index.

There is plenty of reliable information available on the internet.

I don't understand your point about the police officer or China White?

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it was in reply to Mr M.R.



S'il vous plait, So could you conclude/concurr/sumarise for us then Jade?

Jaded

BTW, Physeptone is Methadone Hydrochloride, not 'heroin'. I have warned you before about posting innacurate information for no apparent purpose - why do you continue to do so?

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Excerpt from the Release site;




>>>>>>>>>Heroin is a powder. It ranges in colour from white (in its purest form) to off-white, yellowish and (in its most common, street form) reddish brown. At street level, heroin is usually sold by the gramme or part-gramme in small paper packets, known as 憌raps?or 慴ags?A bag will weigh a fraction of a gramme and will cost in the region of ?0, although larger or smaller quantities are also sold<<<<<<<<<<<<

Jaded

john the hippy wrote:

it was in reply to Mr M.R.



S'il vous plait, So could you conclude/concurr/sumarise for us then Jade?

I don't understand what you mean...

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it was an overview Jade. Amps etc are maintainence substitute.

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Heroin is a powder. It ranges in colour from white (in its purest form)<<<

thats what is written on the Release site as well as on the US Govt site that i posted up earlier.


so either i was right or wrong when i stated that heroin is white and turns brown when adulterants are added, excluding brick dust.

And that makes the posters who on this very thread, whom had tried to discredit me, have egg allllllll over their face and will have to munch humble pie! :hyper:

sorry if i have put some posters noses out of joint. :yes:

Jaded

For the sake of clarification, heroin is generally brown because of impurities present in it from the production process. They are not added to the white heroin at the point of sale to make it brown. End of.

This isn't going anywhere, it isn't in response to anyone's query and to be honest it doesn't make much sense, therefore I am closing the thread.