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Palas

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Hey Palas,
You were asking 'bout the E comdowns under the Helly post. n e ways - depends on exactly how bad they were, but yeah shit comedowns forsure. Been doing E forever and its just something you have to deal with. My best advice is to come home (from the club or whatever) sit around with your mates have a little toke, a cup of tea, a few laughs and go to bed.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    E effects different ppl in different sorta ways for comedowns... I hardly get comedowns at all, just get well tired at the end of the night n the next day a bit spaced out which I find funny, specially if ya smoke some funk when u wake up.
    Other people get real bad ones off the same pills I've taken, n they take less... get depressed n shit. my best m8s pretty much given up now cos of comedowns...

    Other comedowns u can get if there dirty pills which is more of a sick feeling... stomach cramps n stuff.. if it's like that get a different dealer...

    If it's more of an emotional thing then it's up to u if u think the comedowns r worth it... U generally get those sort of comedowns when ur not really happy in real life though, i've never hadem of pills but I used to get em off acid, when I was fucking upon it totally... n they're naty, but now I got my life sorted I can take acid n not really get much of a comedown...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thanks to transgrrl, Daze and J9.
    Your views much appreciated.
    I'll figure out how to delete my message out from where it doesn't belong.

    Daze:
    Though I'm on comedown depression right now, I really am damn happy at the moment. Been travelling for 4 months, consolidated longest friendships, loved up, loving studies here in London. It really can't be that.
    Though, I was probably even more happy/satisfied/excited the first time and suffered no after-effects whatsoever.

    I've been looking for more info/answers at sites such as this one:

    Seems Serotonin levels take 2 weeks to be replenished by the brain after a good night out. Perhaps every month from now on, then.

    Feeling better already,

    Palas
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thansgrrrl,
    Thanx for the reply!

    Straight after isn't a problem. People talk of not being able to sleep, but I sleep like a baby. Yeah, tokes with mates go down fine, and I fucking love sitting around for a chat.
    Otherwise, no real appetite for a few days and sex is, well, 'not as good as it should be'.
    Problems start after that: depression that's acceptable since I'm able to rise above it -'it's only the pills' - but loss of enthusiasm for everything (studies) and the duration of it really put me off.

    Second problem, when I'm fine again I just won't be able to resist the little devils.

    >Palas in a vicious circle.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    PPL,

    If all I ever do is sit down, don't move for seven hours, love it, and walk away from anything resembling a dance floor, any clue to what I'm taking EXACTLY...

    Pure MDMA?

    cheers,Palas
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    U never know what ur getting, if ur not rushing n just wanting to sit down, pity ur missing one of the best parts...
    It could be that it's real pure... If ure real loved up n love everything but ur mellow it probably would be,could be mixed with other stuff... Ketamin which can make u wanna sit down cos it's a tranquilizer... will be trippy if it is..
    loadsa stuff it could be doubt it's pure but it might be
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeah Daze is right - pity you're not out there largin' it on the dance floor. Hmmm, your pills could have something to do with your horrid comedowns as well. See if you can score some different pills.
    Good luck <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thanks again Daze n Trancegrrrl

    I'll get some different pills off a friend's dealer beforehand next time.

    K is definitely what I had last time then.
    Floored and loved up all morning, my friend and girlfriend tripping away:
    'You've got a beard' etc...
    'Fabric belongs to John Lewis'
    'What's the recipe to barbecue seasoning doing in your (my) hand?'
    Lots of entertainment for me, but no hallucinations...

    How can five people on the same stuff have a completely different time?

    Cheers <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In addition to above,
    What should I be looking for to get into some largin' on the dance floor?

    Is K known to give particularly bad comedowns?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've actually never done just K, but I can't imagine it can be good for comedowns as it was originally a horse tranquilizer, ha!
    Ask for some mitsubichis (sp?) - they're a good old standby.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeah sounds like K... thing is with all drugs ppl have different expieriences... I love K in itself but not many ppl do, it gives u comedowns, not too bad but depression wise but real nasty cos everythings really fucked up.
    What should u look for... well as pills have come up loads recently I'll repost a topic from a while ago where I had a list of pills n there effects.
    If u can find out whats in them though go for coke and amphetimines and MDMA.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ok as I said here is a list of all the pills I've tried in order of favourites.

    1. Snowballs:- real nice and clean. 50-50 coke MDMA mix.
    2. UFO's:- again real clean nice n ruhy n well happy.
    3:-Ferrari's :- these r the club ones loadsa amphetimine real rushy
    4. Eurostars:- bit like UFO's but not as happy
    5. VW's :-These r probably the best easy to get pills real powerful good mix n clean
    6. Lightnings :-creepers nice but not too strong quite trippy
    7.Killer :- real powerful knocks u out <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;
    8. Supermans :- these r nice powerful, quite rushy not too happy
    9. Horseshoes :- again powerful dont last for too long though
    10. Armanis:- fun time, lasts long
    11. Subarus :-powerful not too clean but good for clubbing
    12. Motorollas:-nice chilled pills good for taking n e time.
    13. Tulips:- can b good can b bad, quite trippy but nice
    14. Stardust :- not too rushy good to take in pubs
    15. Crowns:- bit dirty nasty comedowns but last for a while n rushy
    16. Rolexes :- very trippy but surprisingly clean.
    17. White Wolves:- very creepy but good when ur up
    18. Smurfs:- fun pills v.chatty n happy
    19. Versaches:- bit trippy not too powerful but a laugh
    20. Doves:- kinda common a while ago... can be real good can be bad.. never know what ur gettting
    21. Millenium:-these r quite powerful mayb too much cos they dont feel too nice
    22. Mitzi turbos:-most common can be good usually not all that, bit average but a safe bet
    23. Xmas trees:- quite cool not that strong
    24. Austins:- bit trippy quite dirty..
    25. Rolls Royces:- real trippy major ketamin amounts
    26. Foxes:-bit weak but happy
    27. Mitzis:- not too good.. stick to the turbos
    28. 007's:- dirty pills but rushy
    29. Clovers:- agaion dirty quite trippy as well

    As for colours I would reccomend

    1. Blue
    2. White
    3. Red
    4. Yellow
    5. Green

    they're basically all the ones I can remember ther;s loads more...
    things to watch out for is if they're speckled they're usually dirty(heroin or summin).

    ALl pills can be different though, the list is just my expierience of some.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ok, heres my experience of pills,

    love = filthy, dirty shit
    roses = soft but good upper
    VIP = never could tell whats in this (dirty)
    bulldog = dirty but ok
    fido dido = got a pic of that 7up bloke on it, pretty shitty effects
    diamond = lost of stuff in it but quite good
    doves = ones i got were filthy (besides, they were in the guys pocket)
    VW = brill
    beetle = very weak
    hammer and sickle = good upper
    hart break = good
    euro = pure
    lightning strike = dirty but good
    mall king = heroin
    piggy = ok, but dont pay much for it
    CK = variable, often dirty, but i have seen pure.
    trojan horse = good
    santa = pure
    casper = good
    crowns = the best but like daze said, bad comedown
    mcdonlads = everywhere, never can tell whats in it
    ferraris = rushy
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bear with me this net is all new 2 me.My xperience with ecstasy has been very positive namely cos i am mad 4 the buzz that is pure mdma and i routinely test every new batch of pills i come across 2 ensure an mdma buzz evry time.neither i myself or any of my fello ravers 4 want of a better term suffer any major lows after a night on the mdma xpress and i would recommend that testing kits b bought by ne serious pill hed. they r on the net and compared 2 buying aspirin of a dodgy geezer they r very good value 4 money plus the marquis reagent test can b used 2 test a few other things ravey 2! hope this is of some use will list the most recent pills i have come across when i can type faster!

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Am I right in saying that as long as there is a picture on the pill then its garunteed not to be fake.

    If it aint got a piccy then its asprin. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dirty Harry - i dunno m8, many moons ago I we got some pills that had 's's and dollar signs on them that were duds. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/mad.gif"&gt; So who knows..
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Nah way, fakes usually have a stamp of somekind on them, u can usually tell by the feel of them or by the look, but the stamps can be good.

    As for MDMA testing kits they're shit, we've tested coke with em n they said the coke was almost pure MDMA, speed comes up as a bit MDMA Ketamion apparatly is MDMA as well n even ProPlus has a bit of MDMA in it.. they really dont work at all though pure MDMA comes up as MDMA but as pretty much all drugs do then ther's no point, thing with MDMA it dont make u rush(the amphetamines do) it don't make u gurn(does a bit but more amphetimine) just makes u happy n relaxed, if u go clubbing on E it aint gonna have that much MDMA in it cos MDMA isn't good for clubs.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thanks Daze and D.Harry and Trancy and all.
    Your comments and lists are circulating to several adresses throughout cyberspace at this very moment.
    I'll be searching for VWs.

    Cheers.

    D.H: 'If it ain't got a piccy then it's aspirin' >>>>
    Not always, to my knowledge.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    On the 'comedown' thing. Dunno if i have mentioned this on here, but Prozac and other drugs have some wicked effects. I was on prozac for years and never had a comedown from any drug. I read in a book also that prozac dimminishes comedowns!Great hey!?Well unfortunatly im off it now, but my mates love me when I hand em a prozac to take with their little ones! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The question is, whether Prozac is a 'real' cure to Ecstasy's nasty side-effects.
    At the impartial, quite serious ecstasy.org, the answer seems to be that yes, Prozac reverses the Chemical brain acticity that makes you depressed.

    Is prozac hard to get?
    Lolly: Prozac - side effects?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Palas:
    Thanks Daze and D.Harry and Trancy and all. Your comments and lists are circulating to several adresses throughout cyberspace at this very moment. I'll be searching for VWs.

    You should be aware that pill lists, although interesting, can't be taken as gospel. If a certain pill gets a reputation for being top quality, chances are clones will come out soon enough after that. There's no gaurantee that they'll be as good as the originals.

    I'm not dissing the lists or their writers, just saying that unless you test the actual pill you're gonna take, you still have no chance of knowing whats in it.

    Some European clubs have testing facilities for people about to drop. What are the chances of that being allowed here :-(

    Brokenbeat.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Brokenbeat:

    Sure, I'm aware of that. More for discussion and comparative purposes than anything else.

    The more info, the better, because, as you probably know, testers aren't great.

    Later,

    P <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif">l <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif">s
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeah the list I put up can be varied....

    The top 5 I've tried probably at least 50x each n have never had a bad 1.. The other's can b varied..

    It is a list that u go buy, on average they r like that... but as brokenbeat says good pills r cloned... the biggest example of that r Doves... which have died down now but cos they were good when they came out they bcame the easiest to get... More recently Mitzi's the most common pill n can b n e thing from crap to real good.

    As for test kits they dont work... all drugs pretty much show up as MDMA on them so they're not worth buying
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    does anyone know if ferraris got heroin in em?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Nah Ferraris are practically 100% amphetimine.. real rushy... n e pill can have Heroin in it but usually not Ferraris... check for brown speckeles.. usually can tell if it's got heroin in it from them
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    yeah, I got some heroin mixes as well as a great fucking bag of it. Home making E's can't be too hard, can it? I might use some of my ketamine too. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dirty, Daze:

    My mate's got some double sided blue tulips for a £5 each.

    Know anything about them?
    Also, Vitamin remedies before and after raves to halt comedowns - heard of them? Worth it?

    Tulips more important, though, as will be consumed this weekend. Cheers
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Palas:
    Dirty, Daze:

    Also, Vitamin remedies before and after raves to halt comedowns - heard of them? Worth it?


    Prozac 24hrs before taking the pill; Never during or directly after! MDMA (if there is any in the Tulip) is HIGHLY neurotoxic and mixing with Prozac will increase the neurotoxic effects.

    You can also try taking Ginko Biloba, Vit B3 or a B complex about 35-50 miinutes before taking the pill. Basically this will increase the blood flow to your brain; thus increasing the oxygen to your brain.

    Conclusion - better seretonin re-uptake and hence minimal (if no) heavy comedown.

    Nearly forgot - another worthy friend to combat MDMA's neurotoxic effects are Banana's.


    [This message has been edited by Amethyst Deceiver (edited 24-10-2000).]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ok best thing to do to come down quick is drink orange juice... most fruits work... but orange juice is the beast.... been taking valium recently for comedowns... seems to work well... Prozac probably ok... Other stuff u can buy is St Johns Wort... natural anti depressant.

    Double sided tulips... Tulips r good so I would presume double sided ones r though I've never tried em... £5 is a good price to buy for so it's well worth it...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My best comedown cure is more drugs, ie. a big fat splif hahahahah. sad but true.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Or if the heroin withdrawals get to bad.......take some more ya idiot.

    Good philosiphy.
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