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Increase in rape....
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Is anyone shocked?
excerpt taken from BBC News;
Police probe 'filmed rape' claim
Police are investigating claims that an 11-year-old girl was raped by teenage boys who filmed it on a mobile phone.
Three boys were arrested in connection with the rape allegation, Scotland Yard said. They were bailed until 12 July.
The attack is said to have been carried out by two boys, aged 14, at an address in north London on 25 April.
But a police spokeswoman would not confirm newspaper reports that the third boy had been using a mobile phone to record the attack.
Reports suggested clips from the attack were sent to other pupils at the north London school, which is not being identified to protect the girl's identity.
Teachers were said to have discovered the footage was being passed among pupils.
The Metropolitan Police's Operation Sapphire team, which specialises in sex attacks, is investigating.
excerpt taken from BBC News;
Police probe 'filmed rape' claim
Police are investigating claims that an 11-year-old girl was raped by teenage boys who filmed it on a mobile phone.
Three boys were arrested in connection with the rape allegation, Scotland Yard said. They were bailed until 12 July.
The attack is said to have been carried out by two boys, aged 14, at an address in north London on 25 April.
But a police spokeswoman would not confirm newspaper reports that the third boy had been using a mobile phone to record the attack.
Reports suggested clips from the attack were sent to other pupils at the north London school, which is not being identified to protect the girl's identity.
Teachers were said to have discovered the footage was being passed among pupils.
The Metropolitan Police's Operation Sapphire team, which specialises in sex attacks, is investigating.
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seeing that it happened in Stoke Newington and not in suburbia, i wont be holding me breath :no: .
Before the last x mas period, someone in the NUT wrote up 'concerned' about the increase in sexual assults here in Camden (London) I just done a search but couldn't find the piece. not entirly sure if he was theorising (?) but it wasn't shown on regional news (BBC London) He/she did include; Rape, multiple rape and other sexual assults.
With regards to the teachers, i was wrong, it was a twelve year old, and it took place up near to you Durham. The youth nicked and took her car. The other took place last Sept in Westminister by a 15 yd on a teacher who'd only been in place for just two days.
I looked for national figures supplyed by the statutory agenices, inc Police, but didn't find anything relevent. Maybe the figures could (?) not be reported like in the case of drug rape etc
if you listen on the net, then there is a show on tommorow morning on Radio London 94.9FM, 09.00 - 12.00HRS with a special interest on NOT reporting sex crimes. I may be phoneing as i've reported underage sex crimes to both local and vice squad on a few occassions here in London. The last being on new year eve just passed, in Trafalgar Sq, where two teenage sisters accompanied by their father were groped and molested (aged 12)
Clarification i'm in no way trying to suggest that every youth is a rapist or such, in possibly the same way that 'some' women will say that all men are potential rapeists, as we all have a penis. it's just not true.
Have a nice relaxing evening all, john.
I don't understand why you are claiming "rape is on the increase", though. One case doesn't mean an increase; perhaps more people are reporting rape, which can only be a good thing.
I was trying to keep it simple, because the law is far more complicated than it needs to be. I don't think the term is that inaccurate now because of the Sexual Offences Act 2003, which equates sex with a person under the age of 13 as the same as rape- the same tariff scale is in place.
I would partially disagree with this, tbh, as consent is an issue. I can't for the life of me remember the case, but a person can give consent at any age- the offence of having sexual intercourse with a person aged 13-15 is entirely separated from consent.
You need the full combined report to see '04 figures
The BCS (British Crime Survey) which is conducted by the home office to judge levels of crime outside of the official reporting and recording by the police (the stats used in the first link) had this to say -
Since it's peak in 1995, BCS crime (the number of crimes captured by the British Crime Survey) had fallen by 39%, with vehicle crime and burglary falling by roughly half and violent crime falling by over a third in this period.
There was a 7% increase in the number of recorded sexual offences between 02/03 and 03/04.
I ain't got time, or interest enough, to read the reports but feel free to let us know if they show a recent increase in rape.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wear/4089609.stm
I couldn't find the one that took place in Westminister, nor the 16 year old who was abducted, injected with drugs and then gang raped, then shot in the back of the head and left for dead (Reading a couple of months ago)
Maybe when they go on trial; at the baily the media may (?) pick on these cases. Thou i wont be waiting or holding my breath.
Jimbo - The stats are hard to find huh? I did phone BBC London and asked the reasercher to ask Ken Livingston or the Met commander to provide figures which include - Sexual groping on Public transport (Tube) Sex attacks and assults on New Years eve, and the figures allready mentioned by myself between young adults. I only listened to 5 mins, as when they stated that only 5 in 100 cases are prosecuted i couldn't really be bothered to listen any further.
Have a nice relaxing evening, regards john.
Oh and as with posts in the drugs board - you need to find evidence you can show to others, not just talk to people and then repeat what they've said. If you can't link to it, it doesn't have a place in debate as fact.
I don't think rapes are more or less common that at any time in the past. I think more women feel able to report these crimes, and more of these incidents are looked at by the police.
It becomes difficult to compare facts when it only became illegal for a man to rape his wife in 1990.
>>>>john i see where your comminmg from<<<<<
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4296433.stm -
"Rapes are on the increase, but convictions are low" say's the headline.
44,000% could be the true figure? NOT THE 3% GIVEN OUT, THAT DO MAKE IT TO PROSECTUION VIA THE C.P.S. Although that could be disputed, would the figure come from contacting women helplines rather than actually reporting it to the Police?
Over the last few weeks we here in London got told that sex crimes committed, have a high sucess clear up rate.
Then why is there going to be an investigation led by the Met Com? (Radio 4 The Today programme)
with regards to the collated stats, is Aqaintance/date/drug/stranger rape lumped together? and would alcohol be included in this?
as i know that the Portland Group are about to do a poster campiagn in bars and clubs here in London very shortely (not sure if UK wide) with regards to warning women. IMHO i think it's a waste of time, and needs far more agressive media campaign which indeed should include jumping in unlicensed mini cabs etc etc, as i'm sure, that the honourable members on this board would know and agree to.
........but then again, wouldn't it prove negative against their campaigns to subtly encourage women binge drinkers, and therefore decreaes their profits?
'The report, carried out at London Metropolitan University, said crime data suggested up to 47,000 rapes were actually committed every year.'
I presume you meant 44,000 rapes, not an increase of 44,000%
I'm a humanoid, NOT a friggin computer :rolleyes: therefore i do make and acknowledge my mistakes, like when i wrote and replied to yourself, that the rapist was not 11 years old as i first mentioned, but twelve. It's not exactely the type for shi'ite you like to have swimming around in your head, as i'm quite sure that you'd agree with me huh ?
Maybe some youth charities will write up to the Joseph Rowntree Foundation and ask them to do a study/report into sex crimes committed by under 16's so that the media will run it maybe 5 years time after a few more are committed huh??
have a nice relaxing evening, regards, john.
I'll bear in mind your request in future referrence, in any correspondence sent from myself, to your good self.
regards, johnnyboy
That's an interesting point that surprisingly wasn't shouted down. Darcus Howe was brave enough to raise the subject once. Why is gang rape almost always commited by certain sections of the 'community'.
It is?
Do you have evidence to support that claim?
Unless you mean the section of the community commonly referred to as "rapists".
I'm so glad someone has finally had the bravery and the insight to come out and say that only ethnic minorities rape. Presumably when white middle class men like Fred West and Ian Huntley do it it is all a misunderstanding, and the girls really did mean yes when they said no.
Well, actually the person "bravely" skirted this issue and just insinuated...
Interesting quote from the random article from the random person nobody has ever heard of:
Edited to add: Still, it's such a shame that racist filth like mr marina here have to hijack a reasonably sensible article for their own despicable ends. The arguments put forward- that rape trials always favour the man because nice boys don't do that, that there should be specialist rape prosecutors, that more needs to be done to make moronic juries realise that rape doesn't involve knives, not when there's ten lads and one girl- were very cogent and I agree with them.
I wouldn't wish to dispute any figures without having some others, but to say that it is a "problem for certain communities only" isn't backed up by his own source: only 42% of attackers in a certain age demographic were from ethnic minorities. That doesn't sound like a majority to me.
Specifically to those who pretend that it's racist to discuss a problem being disproportionately common among some ethnic groups than others, I repeat - grow up. Klintock is the only person in any position to attack my post.
If it's worthwhile offering advice to the narrow minded, it would have been more reasonable to query if I hadn't overstated things when I said "almost always". I would possibly accept that criticism, but in my defence would say that Darcus Howe's articles in the New Statesman about the number of gang-rapes by Blacks, 1 and 2 which I based my comments on, clearly gave that impression... ...so an understandable error if indeed an error was made.
To specifically refute the charge of racism against me I will make a point of mocking my fellow Whites on this very thread for a stupid and pathetic social folly almost peculiar to ourselves. Darcus Howe again... ...yea grow up racist white boys, start treating everybody the same, minorities don't need your wet-nursing.
P.S. Is Darcus Howe racist for mocking this peculiarly White trend? And why do you do it?
It's not racist to have the discussion. It's racist to make that discussion purely about the colour of someone's skin and not to take into account many other contributing factors, or to question that statistics you use to back your argument up.
Have you check to see the difference between conviction rates, how many white people are aquitted for example, how many cases are reported, how many go to trial...
Oh, hang on, you haven't actually produced any statistics to back up your claim. Those articles don't provide any either. Or should we bandy about accusations without offering anything to back them up. Just because Darcus Howe says something is true, doesn't mean it is...
I think the answer to your last question is, until you provide evidence that supports your claim, until you factor in more than just headline figures, until your argument isn't just one of skin tone then you stand accused of misrepresenting reality inorder to promote a racist agenda. That is why I ask the questions...
Provide some stats to back up your claims.
"The added element in this is ethnicity," says Trail. The Haven’s statistics indicate that, in 2002, in the under-16 age group, 42% of the assailants were black, compared with 33% of the victims. Another year, though, statistics indicated a 59%-22% ratio. Either way, even in an ethnically diverse population such as Lambeth-Southwark-Lewisham (LSL), these figures go beyond demographics.
"We’ve been here before, with sexually transmitted infections. We’re not surprised by the rates for HIV, pregnancy and STIs, why should we be surprised about gang rape? Once you’re done with being politically correct about race, you’re left with a lot of sick people."
Get over it White boy. I have. :wave:
Nothing to do with comfort, everything to do with evidence.
Again, the linked article doesn't provide it...