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80% of smokers took up habit as a teenager
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3631670.stm
imo im sure many of those started at under 16
the way forward is education and marketing against smoking, which has halved the numbers of smokers in the past 30 years, surely we should continue this, cause most and foremost, over 16s who start smoking normally do so as a choice, was the case with most i know, even if they do get hooked after, its a choice, and there is no difference between a 16-17 yr old and a 18+
Absolutely.
Never ceases to amaze me how a lot of people who consider themselves libertarians turn into complete sanctimonious health-fascists whenever the issue of smoking comes up.
I'm up for a compromise - ban smoking in enclosed spaces, except in smoking rooms separated from the main workplace/pub/whatever by a door. That way, smokers get somewhere to have a fag, and non-smokers don't have to breathe in smoke. That sounds eminently logical to me - but obviously nothing short of a total ban will do for ASH and the rest of the puffed-up, self-righteous drones.
Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see why those two examples are incompatible. It's starkly obvious. I suppose you're one of those people who believe in the law 100% "because rules are rules" eh?
exactly places where they have designated smoking areas and ventilation should be allowed and those that dont, well no smoking then, its fair and practical
Agreed. It's not exactly difficult to work out the logical and correct compromise. At least in England, there won't be a total blanket ban. Up here in Scotland it seems we're going to have a blanket ban - the problem of having a parliament populated by jumped-up councillors :no: .
councillors really are the crap of the earth who try too hard to do the right thing by actually making you hate the idea, it's like theyre anally liberal which is a contradiction of terms
They are not incompatible at all. The argument was that if you want to drink under age you should be allowed. By that argument you should be allowed to do anything you want under age. Anyone with ANY intelligence should be able to see that you can't just do anything you want at any age.
You're manipulating what i've said until it isn't what i've said.
16 year olds will drink booze and smoke fags to the same extent whether it's legal or illegal. Seeing how this is the case, i don't see any proper reason to have an age limit about 16.
Spliffe so you are saying there should be no age limit?
looking like you are able to handle drink and looking like you are able to drive a car are two totally different things, i'd take sex and weight into consideration and also the amount of drink the person is buying if i was to sell alcohol to a 16 year old, you can't say "oh he's tall, he must be able to drive", the comparison really is incompatible...