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"Jackson 'could perform at Live8"
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got a ticket then?
Nope, didn't apply.
I am over whelmed with the confidence that "Jacko" is every bit as "innocent" as OJ Simpson.
If he shows? Keep him on your island, OK?
what you mean that flimsy piece of plastic between his eyes?
There are a hell of a lot of rapists and abusers that go free every day of the week. It doesnt mean theyre innocent. It means they got away with it.
so you're saying all people accused of rape done what they're being accused of but only got away with it when found innocent... :yeees:
Before she replies, can I say I don't think that's what she said at all.
The burden of proof required is sometimes too high in such cases when it becomes one person's word against another. That is how it should be of course, however it does mean that guilty people walk free.
Still, I'd rather that than innocent people convicted...
yea i thought she said all people accused of it, sorry rainbow...
you cant say "he done it though" and stop him living his life though.......
ever thought some people are falsely accused too? i know lots of rape caes for example have low conviction rates, but thats due to the need for no doubt that they done it which means its hard to get a conviction combined in with the actual amount of false accusations which as far as im aware there are equally lots of
lowering the burden of evidence is not hte answer, i would not feel ocmofrtalbe that even 1 actually innocent person got locked away fro something they didnt do, and equally that the rapist is still probably at large too
But then the event is actually a reunion for has-been popstars, rather than a political statement - so it would be quite fitting really.
Africa needs Geldof like a fish needs a bicycle .........
..and it needs people who can offer it's plight no publicity even less.
And I'm still waiting for you to tell me what that publicity achieves.......
other than diluting the already diluted MPH campaign that is.
It's pisses you off, that's enough for me
Seriously, it makes people take notice. Sure that absolute solution will not come out of a concert, but it gets an issue onto a public agenda so that the issues which you are so concerned about can be aired.
Without something like this, the mainstream press just couldn't give it shit. It's not newsworthy.
As I have said before, this is an opportunity to be grasped, not dismissed or bad mouthed. All that does it detract from the message you really would like to see getting out.
.....................and he`s just trying to throw his arms around the world. (with thanks to Bono
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Aah, but it absolutely does detract from the message
His message is that whitey can save Africa by doing charity to the Africans - thats why he doesn't even have an African partner after 20+ years.
His message is also that more neo-colonialism is the way to go - and that soooo clearly is bollocks.
And the majority of the punters will leave the concert and forget about Africa, because they will have no idea why Africa is so poor, and Geldof will tell them he has cracked the problem with 'his' conditional debt write-offs.
I didn't say that he had the answers, I said that this concert gives publicity to an issue. If you want the correct message to be publicised then make it happen on the back of this concert.
Tell me, if it wasn't for this event, do you think poverty would even be in the papers?
can people stop using neo infront of all political things
What would you like to call it instead?
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Yes ......... the whole point of the concert is to dilute it - but after Blair said he "can't imagine" why people were protesting against the G8 it was going to be getting coverage - about the issues - rather than bloocks about popstars and ebay.
Who missed the fucking point? It isn't positive .......
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"While the coming together of hundreds of thousands of people for the Make Poverty History and Live 8 events certainly should be understood as a genuine expression of human solidarity, if we are serious about wanting to change the way in which the world works it is essential that we do not make poverty of history in attempting to do so.
In other words, we need to ask ourselves: who have, historically, been the agents of change? And, importantly, who has the ability to change the way in which the world works today? The answer, of course, is not Bob and Bono. But neither is it Blair and Brown. It's ordinary, everyday people. It's us. It's you.
Those who have the power to not only make poverty history but to make history itself are the same as they always have been: ordinary people who do extraordinary things."
Which is what I am saying.
The event ensures that there will be huge media attention on what is happening, at the concerts and the summit. So that is where the real issues should be exposed. And in a way which is not violent.
As I said before, without the media even having a small amount of sympathy for the cause, anytime any protestors have voiced an opinion it has only been seen in the context of violent protest as part of an anti-capitalist agenda. Thus it has been easy to dismiss and to portray as the views of a minority of trouble makers.
When everyday people get involved, that cannot happen. Live 8 allows that to happen.
You don't half talk bollocks.............
Exactly how many of the Seattle crew do you think were there because of Slob Welloff?
Slob Welloff is there because of the Seattle crew - and he's diluting the message and turning the masses back onto dead raped dogs and the whackoness of Jacko.
yup - a lot more than slob welloff .......
How far have we got now?