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when to stop?

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
well,been doing E's for about a year and a half now,week in week out!
the thing is it all started with a half and now can do about 7 a night and maybe a little k. im in my late twenty's so started late in life compared to today's young generation,any way back to the question.
i dont get the pleasure i first got,i have once managed to go a few weeks off but that still did not help,it's not that im a dependent on them it's just that there around me all the time so it's hard to say no. if i stay in i feel im missing out on a great night and if i go out and do no drugs and just drink then i still feel im missing out! it seem's my body is used to it so i want to know if anyone got any idea's on how to clean's the body of all these toxin's for a few week's so i will feel fresh again. just for the record i do keep fit.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm sorry mate. I sympathise, the only people I know who do E are like you, late twenties, need alot to get up but still dont feel satisfied. They dont do it much anymore, and even when they do, they're not really on the same wavelength as me. I get frustrated for them! It means I dont have as much fun either and I wish I knew more people to do this with.

    The best advice I can offer is to go without for longer periods. I leave it 1-2 months between each pill-night-out, and just go out drinking in between. The drinking nights are spent in pubs & clubs that aren't drug culture, cos like you know yourself, if the pills are there you'll take them regardless of good intentions!! If there are a couple of your mates that feel the same way, maybe you guys could try to do this as a group and then you wont feel like you're missing anything? It makes those big nights out more special and the anticipation is great <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    I don't know what else you can do? If anyone has any suggestions, my mates would love to hear them too...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There is a natural progression in the world of recreational drugs, it usually kicks in late 20's and comes about when an individual becomes bored / resistant of ecstasy, also increased funding from a stable job is an important factor. The progression is from pills to cocaine, and from club to wine bar culture. The idea of it doesn't really entertain me as i'm only 20, and i don't think its one i want to take, cocaine is addictive and a bit more risky, but then you seem to of reached the point where pills just don't do it any more <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> you have four real options 1) a long break of months not weeks, its difficult and may not guarentee results, but once you have resistance there is no magical way of wiping the slate <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> 2) continue to increase the amount you use, this isn't ideal, will damage your health and the highs still won't be what they once were <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> 3) give up all together, something which i doubt i'll be doing, and from your scenario isn't really an option 4) move onto a different drug, again not really advisable but possibly the best result with regards to your enjoyment, this wold need great care and sense <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Really your pill days will never be what they once were, my course of action would be to take them less often after a long break, but thats easier said than done ! Its a reality we must all face one day, sort of the end of an era, your not alone, what ever you decide to do there are negatives to it, and you must decide which negatives you are willing to endure ? You can get vitamins which help replenish seretonin (the chemical in your brain which pills effect) this would help but not greatly !

    alot of the above isn't good advice, but they are options, your old enough now to be aware of the risks and to make informed decisions, hope you find a way of enjoying them again <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    M8y u have been caining it alot, u have built up high tolerance to pills
    a simple break of a few weeks wont do it

    Take a 6 month break and then go out and drop 1, and see what its like.

    ideally u r supposed to leave atleast a 1 month gap between goin out and getting fucked.

    It takes 2 weeks to rebuild all/most/enuff serotonin, but u must leave it longer for your brain to repair the rest of the damage it has done to itself. The more damage u have done to it the longer it needs to repair itself. In your case i recommend a 6 month break and see what happens from there.

    But u may also find from this break that when u come to take pills again u wont have the same desire to do them as much.

    Its up to u
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thanks for the advice all, im intersted in the chemical 5htp. has any one got any more info on this,the price dosage etc.
    as for taking 6 month's off you would have have to tie me up and lock me away befor i could go that long! Cheers again all...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    hehe but thats what i suggest.
    After the first 4/5 weeks it becomes sooooo much easier to say no <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
    5-htp can be bought from holland and barret, or other health type stores. Its bout £15 for a bottle of 60 i think (yer it is pretty expensive)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hiya...I've got to the point where all my mates are getting pilled up to the eyebrows every weekend but I can't be bothered anymore! I can't handle the comedowns because they seem to be getting worse and worse and affecting my job. I don't want to go out and just drink cos, like u say, u feel like ur missing out on something! so instead I stayed in for a couple of weeks and stayed straight..then I went out and just did a half, which I did come up on enough to have a good night and and not feel like I've missed out! The thing I'm worried about is that I'm going to Glasto this summer....will temptation prove just too much?!?!?!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    probably, but if u take a break beforehand (say a month) and a break after then it shud be alright i think.

    The way i do it is i get fucked like once a month to once every 2 months. but each time i get fucked its a big reason (a big festival, my best m8s b'day, my b'day)

    Its glastonbury (if thats what u mean by glasto). If it was me id go out and get fucked coz its a big event that dont happen week in week out. But i wudnt do anything for a month atleast beforehand, and take a few weeks off afterwards as well.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    well went and got the 5htp and it was £15 for 60 capsules which is about 2 mounth's worth and low RDA. im going to start taking them to day and will let you know in time if they work.if any one has been taking them would like to hear from you. on another note have not been out for the past 2 weeks now and im going to try and stay in until the end of march as on the bank holiday im going to blackpool for the weekend as it's me stag do and im sure i wont be able to resist the temptation on a long weekend.! <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've stopped doing pills for a month when I stayed with my parents at that time. It was a successful 'clean out' as there was no temptation (my parents live in the country). I didn't want to be seen pilled up in front of them anyway! Interesting enough, I didn't feel like missing out too. Staying with my dad and mum made me remember the days before I take drugs - a generally happy boy easily satisfied without drugs. <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    In the long term, I think I will totally give up pills at some point in my life. That will be when I get older and have more responsibilities. After all, could you imagine a dad pilled up in front of his sons? <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    By the way, to reduce the damage of the brain, don't take 7 pills a night. In my experience, if one or two pills dont work, then it just won't work, no matter how much more you take. <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Cheers for the advice...I went out last night and stayed straight! It was really weird looking at all my mates blatantly off their heads! I've come to the conclusion that me & my mates only take them to make a rubbish night out in our local nightclub seem more exciting! I'm defintley going to save the pills for decent nights out and not waste my serotonin supply in my local cheesey club!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Good for u is what i say <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    im like u.mid 20s took alot of pills. and i have found that if i take 1 or 11 it gives me the same feeling only the come down lasts all week rather than a few days. my advice is smoke some seroius green 5 beers loud dance music,and your fell dandy.thats what i do to stop the montony of pills.
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