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what is michael howard saying?

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    the picture isnt showing up
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    is for me
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Allow me to terminate the Guardian myth.

    From the Mail on Sunday:

    What have they done to poor Sandra Howard? The woman is obviously a raving liberal, as she recently revealed when she mused happily about what fun the sixties were. But she is condemned to simper eternally at the elbow of her supposedly ‘Right-wing’ husband. Whenever the Tory leader is on TV, Sandra’s simper is in shot. I suspect Tory HQ has a full-time simper facilitator to guide the unfortunate Sandra about the streets so that any camera trained on Mr Howard is bound to catch his wife’s beautiful cheekbones and fixed smile. The muscular effort of keeping it in place all the time must help her stay slim.

    What does is mean? Is it a straightforward fraud like that, doctored photograph used by a Tory squirt in his election literature? Is the simper to persuade voters that opposition leader is human, after all? Or is Mrs Howard there to tell the truth about the Pseudo-Tory Party – that, despite its pose as fierce, tough, etc, etc, it is, in fact, the same old collection of flabby-faced cowards that sat around and watched as the country was dismantled by radicals? Well, here is an interesting fact from Michael Crick’s biography of Mr Howard; it has not been much noised about because it does not fit the fashionable myth that Mr Howard is a reactionary vampire and/or the heir of Maggie. I have personally confirmed the story with both the witnesses, and it goes like this:

    Local newspaper editor David Gemmell and his wife Valerie were invited to lunch at the Howard’s home in the Eighties. Mr Howard left early and Mr Gemmell asked Sandra how Michael was enjoying politics. Sandra replied: ‘Michael loves it – apart from that dreadful woman.’ What dreadful woman was that? ‘That Thatcher woman. Michael loathes her.’

    So as you try to puzzle out which Michael Howard is real – the tough-on-immigration one or the pro-EU one (who believes are borders should be controlled, or rather not controlled, by Brussels), the tough-on-crime one or the anti-hanging one, the radical Tory or the man who sacks a colleague for suggesting taxes might be too high – pay more attention to Sandra’s liberal simper.
    It is the real thing, but it would look terrible on Michael.

    Luckily for the left, and despite what the Guardian's propaganda team cook up, Howard is no far right racist, he is in fact a liberal. Maybe Howard would do well to defect to the Labour front bench, after Gordan wins the election.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just to point out that the above article is from ultra-right wing, religious fundamentalist, megahomophobe, completely deranged, universally-laughed-at "journalist" Peter Hitchens.

    As for Michael Howard, actions speak louder than works. His past record in government, his current policies and talk on immigrants and gypsies and even his own colleagues' open concerns and hostility towards him, do indeed point out to him being a heartless, far right wing, borderline racist bigot.

    Perhaps he's just pandering to the conservative right voters threatening to desert to the likes of UKIP- but if so he's hiding his caring, moderate side very well indeed :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    Just to point out that the above article is from ultra-right wing, religious fundamentalist, megahomophobe, completely deranged, universally-laughed-at "journalist" Peter Hitchens.
    He's travelled a long road from extreme Left to the Right and along the way he lost his rationality. I wouldn't believe a word he says.
    As for Michael Howard, actions speak louder than works. His past record in government, his current policies and talk on immigrants and gypsies and even his own colleagues' open concerns and hostility towards him, do indeed point out to him being a heartless, far right wing, borderline racist bigot.
    He is a likeable man, a well balanced man, and I've had the pleasure to meet him. He, unlike Phoney Blair, addresses the real concerns people have about the loss of control over our national borders, unchecked and chaotic immigration with no-one knowing who the hell is coming into our country, and gypsies being encouraged to break local planning laws by 2-Jags 4-Homes John Prescott.
    Perhaps he's just pandering to the conservative right voters threatening to desert to the likes of UKIP- but if so he's hiding his caring, moderate side very well indeed :rolleyes:
    No-one on the Right with any sense will vote for UKIP. Perhaps a few on the Left might.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rich Kid wrote:
    He's travelled a long road from extreme Left to the Right and along the way he lost his rationality. I wouldn't believe a word he says.
    Glad to see we agree on something. Though I seem to remember you were happily quoting him the other day when you were telling us all what superb paper the Mail on Sunday was. :confused:

    He is a likeable man, a well balanced man, and I've had the pleasure to meet him. He, unlike Phoney Blair, addresses the real concerns people have about the loss of control over our national borders, unchecked and chaotic immigration with no-one knowing who the hell is coming into our country, and gypsies being encouraged to break local planning laws by 2-Jags 4-Homes John Prescott.
    Correction: concerns that some people have. Countless millions of others don't have such concerns, or believe there is any concern to be had in the first place.

    No-one on the Right with any sense will vote for UKIP. Perhaps a few on the Left might.
    Er... the main (even only) swing voters the UKIP gets are former Tory supporters, not Labour ones. Even the Tories themselves have expressed their concern about parties such as UKIP splitting the right wing vote.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    Glad to see we agree on something. Though I seem to remember you were happily quoting him the other day when you were telling us all what superb paper the Mail on Sunday was. :confused:
    The law of averages dictates that from time to time there are things I agree with, but there are very few. But where I do agree I acknowledge them.
    Correction: concerns that some people have. Countless millions of others don't have such concerns, or believe there is any concern to be had in the first place.
    No correction is needed. The majority of people do share these concerns thats why they show so high on peoples agendas.
    http://www.politics.co.uk/election-2005/voters-focus-on-domestic-issues-$3245936.htm
    Er... the main (even only) swing voters the UKIP gets are former Tory supporters, not Labour ones. Even the Tories themselves have expressed their concern about parties such as UKIP splitting the right wing vote.
    No worries .... http://politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2005/03/15/
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rich Kid wrote:
    No correction is needed. The majority of people do share these concerns thats why they show so high on peoples agendas.
    http://www.politics.co.uk/election-2005/voters-focus-on-domestic-issues-$3245936.htm
    If that were true the Tories would not be a poor second to Labour, would they?

    Damn all that "silent majority" of people, tens of millions of people, agreeing with what Howard and the Tories say and believe in, but voting for Labour instead! What's wrong with them?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They may share the concerns but people don't vote just one or two issues they buy the package - in this case Labours lies & spin - but when they get home and unwrap it they may not be happy with what they eventually find.
    The trouble is Labour have taken the concept of "spin" to dazzling heights so people are very confused as to what is truth and what is fiction - I can understand this problem.

    Anyway we all knwo Labour will walk this election but this will be their last administration because I predict a soory end to this New Labour experiment - thank God.

    ps I haven't used one exclaimation mark today, 10/10 to RK.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rich Kid wrote:
    He is a likeable man, a well balanced man, and I've had the pleasure to meet him. He, unlike Phoney Blair, addresses the real concerns people have about the loss of control over our national borders, unchecked and chaotic immigration with no-one knowing who the hell is coming into our country, and gypsies being encouraged to break local planning laws by 2-Jags 4-Homes John Prescott.
    Well they're both public school boys and Oxbridge graduates aren't they? To be honest I don't see him as likeable... The closest he seems to be to the working class world is that he watched the credits of Emmerdale once whilst waiting for Watercolour Challenge to come on TV.

    It's all very well saying this or that, but putting it in to action is a different story and it'd be nice to see some MPs that hail from a working class background, to thus represent the country fairly. I don't see the Tories as people who are all that connected with the less affluent people in the country.

    Another funny thing is that he seemed to have hired black actors and people to dress up as proletariate street diggers for his campaign... Wonder how much they got paid.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rich Kid wrote:
    They may share the concerns but people don't vote just one or two issues they buy the package - in this case Labours lies & spin - but when they get home and unwrap it they may not be happy with what they eventually find.
    The trouble is Labour have taken the concept of "spin" to dazzling heights so people are very confused as to what is truth and what is fiction - I can understand this problem.
    Are you suggesting that people in this country are so stupid and thick and that even 8 years later they haven't seen through Labour's "lies and spin"?

    Isn't that a bit condescending, patronising and insulting towards your fellow citizens?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    Are you suggesting that people in this country are so stupid and thick and that even 8 years later they haven't seen through Labour's "lies and spin"?

    Isn't that a bit condescending, patronising and insulting towards your fellow citizens?
    Thats what 8 years of Labour "spin & lies", as directed by spin masters like Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson, can achieve, its truly frightening. Thats why I've always maintained that Labour have been bad for democracy in this country. They're like an infectious virus, they are the MRSA-equivalent in politics, they eat away at the body politic, killing vital organs in the process, reducing politics to a rotting carcass.
    Trust in our PM, trust in an independent civil service, trust in pledges not to raise tax, trust in promises to reform the NHS, etc are all broken, but still the people remain mesmerised by Labour's spin, its awful, its like some horror film.
    I dream sometimes that I'll wake up and find it was just a nightmare.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well they're both public school boys

    Michael Howard went to state school although he sent his son to Eton and his daughter to St. Pauls (both fee paying)
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