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Prince Charles Shakes Mugabe's Hand.

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
I am not sure what I find worse; an evil tyrant is invited to the pope’s funeral (I notice the BBC commentators kept quiet about that one.) or Charles shaking his hand. Jack Straw and now this dreadful mess, what is this world coming to?

Prince Charles has made a diplomatic gaffe on the eve of his wedding, by shaking hands with Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe at the Pope's funeral.
The prince was "caught by surprise" when Mr Mugabe leaned over to greet him, Clarence House said.

Mr Mugabe sidestepped a European Union travel ban to attend the funeral service in the Vatican.

Some politicians condemned Prince Charles' greeting as "stupid" and "not very sensible".

Opponents of Mr Mugabe also condemned his presence at the funeral, with one Euro MP describing it as a "flagrant breach of the EU travel ban".

Mr Mugabe was able to get around the ban because his destination - the Vatican - was an independent sovereign state.

Italy also has a long-standing agreement, known as the Concordat, to allow visitors to the Vatican to cross Italian territory, because the Papal state has no airport.

This meant Mr Mugabe was not in breach of the ban by travelling into Italy.

'Abhorrent' regime

Prince Charles was seated one place away from the Zimbabwean President during the funeral.

A Clarence House spokesman said the prince "finds the current Zimbabwean regime abhorrent" and "was not in a position to avoid shaking Mr Mugabe's hand".

The spokesman added: "He has supported the Zimbabwe Defence and Aid Fund which works with those being oppressed by the regime.

Glenys Kinnock MEP

"The prince also recently met Pius Ncube, the Archbishop of Bulawayo, an outspoken critic of the government."

A Foreign Office spokesman said seating arrangements at the funeral were made by the Vatican.

Criticism

But Labour MEP Glenys Kinnock, who has called for the EU to get tougher with the Mugabe regime, said shaking his hand was not "sensible".

She added: "I am sure that by now Prince Charles regrets shaking Mugabe's hand.

"However, this is yet another failure of the establishment, of people with power and responsibility in the international community, to be sensitive enough about how to respond to this man."

MEP Richard Corbett said Prince Charles should have refused to shake Mr Mugabe's hand.

He said: "This was a golden opportunity to deliberately and very visibly refuse to shake hands with this man.

"To fail to do so was, frankly, stupid."

British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw was also criticised when he shook hands with Mugabe at a United Nations summit in New York last year.

Mr Straw defended his actions saying the serious disagreement between the two countries did not justify being "discourteous or rude".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4425385.stm

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    an evil tyrant is invited to the pope’s funeral (I notice the BBC commentators kept quiet about that one.)

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    If they had decided to name the tyrants present they may still be doing it now.Trying to find someone there who isn`t a tyrant would be an alternative to a game of "where`s wally".

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What is a problem is that he's been banned from travelling inside the EU. Which I'm sure has irritated a few people.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just a few hours before getting married, this happens. All I can say is, oh bugger. :(
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I am not sure what I find worse; an evil tyrant is invited to the pope’s funeral (I notice the BBC commentators kept quiet about that one.)
    I read yesterday that Mugabe was gate-crashing, actually.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    He gets in on a technicality - Vatican City is a state, but its not in the EU.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It could have been worse.

    It could have been that awful Nicholas Witchell...

    As Straw said, no reason to be "discourteous or rude".
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Some politicians condemned Prince Charles' greeting as "stupid" and "not very sensible".
    I wonder what they think Chas Windsor should have done. He was taking part in a religious service, part of which involves shaking hands with the people around you to symbolise peace. (Papists can fill us in on the details of making the 'sign of peace' or whatever it's called.) Do the critics think that Charlie should have refused to shake hands and said, 'Fuck off, Bob'?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't think it was the time or the place for Prince Charles to refuse to shake his hand, or to start a debate on the moral implications of shaking his hand. As has been suggested, what was he supposed to do, tell him to piss off? He was a at a funeral!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    BumbleBee wrote:
    I don't think it was the time or the place for Prince Charles to refuse to shake his hand, or to start a debate on the moral implications of shaking his hand. As has been suggested, what was he supposed to do, tell him to piss off? He was a at a funeral!

    You obviously do not shake hands much. If people do not want to shake someone’s hand - something that happens frequently when you are in politics or travelling the world meeting people, then you simply decline to. It happens all the time.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    For almost all people handshaking is an automatic response.

    A very famous medical hypnotist called Dr.Milton Erickson used this tendency to put people in trances.

    I doubt whether there was any thought involved on "the princes" part but there almost certainly was on the part of "Bob".
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You obviously do not shake hands much. If people do not want to shake someone’s hand - something that happens frequently when you are in politics or travelling the world meeting people, then you simply decline to. It happens all the time.

    You're right, I don't shake hands much, why would I?! The point is, he was at a funeral, it was neither the time nor the place for politics.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You obviously do not shake hands much. If people do not want to shake someone’s hand - something that happens frequently when you are in politics or travelling the world meeting people, then you simply decline to. It happens all the time.

    Your absolutely right. Instead Prince Charles should have lamped him one... :shocking:

    I'm not sure what part of politics your in or your experience of world travel, but my experience is that politicians do shake hands, even with people they are in oppisition to.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    BumbleBee wrote:
    I don't think it was the time or the place for Prince Charles to refuse to shake his hand, or to start a debate on the moral implications of shaking his hand. As has been suggested, what was he supposed to do, tell him to piss off? He was a at a funeral!
    I've now read the whole story, in the Independent, and while on the one hand, I really couldn't give a toss, on the other, I'm absolutely appalled by the incompetence of the Vatican flunkies, who were apparently responsible for the seating arrangements. I'm assuming they were aware that the 'sign of peace' (a regular occurence during Catholic Mass and, so I'm told, the CofE service) might just be a little embarrassing for Charlie Boy? Did Mugabe slip them a bribe, or were they doing their bit to restore relations between Britain and Zimbabwe? All together now: ahhh...

    And Charles only had most of the service to see it coming... how could he be expected to take precautionary steps, the poor dear?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    To make matters worse, I was looking forward to hearing the general public opine on what an idiot Charles was on 'Any Answers?', only to find that with coverage of the Wedding on both BBC1 and ITV, they're still scrapping 'AA?' to put more coverage on Radio 4 :shocking:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You obviously do not shake hands much. If people do not want to shake someone’s hand - something that happens frequently when you are in politics or travelling the world meeting people, then you simply decline to. It happens all the time.



    diplomatic behaviour guess he didnt notice who it was
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