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Reason - the practice was overwhelmed by too many new patients!
Labour just haven't got the message have they, the NHS is in crisis and throwing money at it isn't the answer.
In 1997 Phoney Blair promised, "The NHS is only safe in Labour's hands"
In 2001 Phoney promised "excellent services for all"
What went wrong Phoney?????
I'll tell you - he put targets before patients, because he's more concerned about image than real substance - meanwhile patients continue to suffer!
And indeed, are the Tories so stupid as to think the nation will be duped by similar tactics?
The reason we don't list good examples is because there are hundreds of thousands every month- as opposed to 1 or 2 bad ones.
Back to Central Office to think of a new strategy "Rich Kid"!
To be honest it worked for Labour when they were in opposition
http://www.labour-watch.com/health.htm
Enjoy!!!!
Yep. I can see how this proves everything you've been claiming...
a quick glance show a lot less for 2004/5 than 2000-2003 - any idea why that might be?
anything to do with sustained investment from 1997 begining to have an impact?
is there a comparable table for the last 18 years?
There doesn't seem to be any consisteny either. Some of the stories are more properly the fault of civil servants, some are the inevitable problems of going to war and some are probably fair criticism.
However you'd need to know a bit about the subject to say which are which. And I guess the same is true of the health section.
are you saying that a nurse's salary isnt enough to live on?
my mother and most of her friends are nurses. fair enough, her salary is only part of our family's income, but many of her friends live a comfortable middle class life, supporting themselves and their children on a nurse's salary
And you'd be willing to pay higher taxes for this? :eek2:
Before I read any further on this thread, I have to comment on this.
Her GP must be seriously fucking old then.
Oh, hang on, her GP will have changed during that time at least once. Possibly several times. So tell me again, what is the actual problem here?
Oh, and do you have a source for the story...?
But no challenge from you on the bottom two stories - the first I looked at - when I showed that they didn't actually have anything bad about Labour in them. In fact one actually supported the huge investment which the Govt had put in.
Care to comment there, I think you find it on the second page of this thread. Enjoy!!!
*is off to the website to find more to debunk..."
Ah, the only people employed by Private Business.
Good one to pick, thanks.
A Torygraph story which doesn’t actually have much negative to say about the NHS, at least not that I could find. Although it did say that there has been an increase in “managers” and that 59% of the increase in funding has gone in wages. Given Rich Kids comment above about people not being paid enough, I’m sure he would support this.
Oh, the story does say that waiting times have dropped and that most patients wait less than four hours in A&E…
"I am terrified by the current political targets. The situation is dangerous and intolerable"
Interesting, to someone who has worked on the A&E programme that looks more like poor management to me, rather than a problem with the target. Me thinks the Torygraph (for it is they again) seem to think that how someone achieves the target is the fault of the person who sets it. I worked in a hospital which achieve it’s A&E targets a year ago without many of the problems mentioned in this story. Does that mean that the targets worked for us?
Targets can kill
Well it’s starting to look like Rich Kids favourite website only has one source of information, for this is another story from the Torygraph.
Interestingly is starts with a bit of a moan that a poorly performing hospitals is being held to account by the PM Delivery Unit. Is that actually a bad thing – people being held accountable?
Anyway, I liked this comment “The truth is that meeting the Government's targets simply produces managers - such as the notorious "emergency pathway co-ordinators"”. I’ve heard of this type of post in other hospitals, personally I never thought that they were any use. But what the Torygraph misses is that mostly these posts are filled by… wait for it… nursing staff. Not managers, but senior nursing staff.
Revealed: the memos that prove No 10 puts NHS targets before the safety of patients
Anyone still reading will be pleased to note that this story comes from the ever reliable Torygraph. If you have bothered to read the links you will have noticed that they all say the same thing, often with the same quotes and are written by the same person. Now I wouldn’t suggest that lazy journalism is evident here, but anychance of something new?
But we are not going to have a mass-walkout over it!
Mon the nurses!!!
I have! I suppose everyone will say they don't get paid what they deserve!
"Nurses are fairly paid"
Disagree there! If you look at the equivalent for other public sector workers:
Occupation
Starting Salary
After 5 years
Police Officer
18,666*
23,037
Teacher
21,588
27,198
FireFighter
17,895**
25,527
Newly Qulaified Nurse
16,525
18,240
*After 31 weeks initial training the salary is upgraded to £20,838.
** After 6 months and in 2nd year the salary increases to £18,700
Nursing Assistant -SVQ II and III needed to attain maximum point- Between £10,050 and £13,920
Social Work Assistant- SVQ Levels II and III in care work.- Typical salary range between £15,582 to £16,866 (AP2)
The figures speak for themselves [they are a couple of years old]. Agreed with the implementation of Agenda for Change and the harmonising of all non medical and dental staff onto a single pay system is good. The minimum wage for a nurse under Band 5 of AfC will be ~ £18,500 with the possibility of earning in excess of £80,000.
Nurses are taking on extended roles as a result of the European Working Time Directive on the number of hours JHO's can work, yet this is not reflected in the pay or progression up the bands in AfC. Who thought in the medical circle 20 years ago that some nurses could prescribe independently, without a medic? Who thought that nurses would be carrying out procedures and surgery?
Don't start on the bursary
Mon the nurses!!!!!!!!!!
That sounds like a generalisation but I`m curious.What do "they" come into the profession for ?
seeker
I do the same hours as you (probably more) and get sweet FA. We'll both be working for the NHS and probably doing the same job by the time nurses have cherry picked all of the simple and satisfying procedures, leaving medics with the shit. Who do you call when it all goes wrong? With whom does the buck stop? Yep, the doctor.
"or prescribing drugs which can be bought over the counter"
Emm.....no! ENP's can presribe certain "Prescription only drugs".
The bursary for degree students in England and Wales is means tested! Therefore I suggest you read that booklet a bit closer. How many nursing vacancies compared to medical are there?
"It's an absolute disgrace"
I agree, one of the many reasons I was put off going to Med School.
"Who do you call when it all goes wrong? With whom does the buck stop? Yep, the doctor."
Of course it stops with the Doc, that is their job!! That is why you will spend 5 years at uni and I will spend 3 [well 4, but I will be qualified after 3]
Tory Watch
So, although a letter goes out saying that 247 MRSA cases were reported in a hospital, the reality is that there were six. Care to check those figures again?
Tories say 247
Reality = 6
Care to comment Rich Kid?