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Maggie Thatcher - Britain's Greatest PM

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
In my view Maggie Thatcher was Britains greatest Prime Minister since Winston Churchill in WW2.
Unlike Labour she stood up to the union bully boys who were dominating Britains industrial landscape and broke their power sending Arthur Scragill packing in the process.
She launched the property-owning democracy whereby the yoke of State Socialism was lifted from around people's necks, giving them the right to buy their council houses rather than forever pay rent to the councils.
She bravely regained the Falklands through her courageous stand against the Argies.
She fought the corrupt EU for a massive rebate in contributions which we still enjoy to this day (although I reckon Labour will probably give it away!).
Oh what a woman, its a pity we won't be seeing the likes of her again. Now we have to contend with political pygmies like Phoney Blair, how times change!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Troll
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Troll
    Why can't I freely express an opinion without being insulted?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rich Kid wrote:
    Why can't I freely express an opinion without being insulted?

    You are incredibly transparent.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Can you even remember maggie thatchers government?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You are incredibly transparent.
    Again, I ask the question, why is it that some people throw insults just because they don't like a particular view?
    Its easy to insult, its harder to debate, perhaps thats the problem!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's impossible to debate with you.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Compared to who exactly?

    Churchill? Disraeli? Lloyd George? (Top shagger pm, btw)

    She doesn't even rate the top ten I am afraid
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rich Kid wrote:
    Again, I ask the question, why is it that some people throw insults just because they don't like a particular view?
    Its easy to insult, its harder to debate, perhaps thats the problem!

    "God bless America" and now a Maggie is wonderful thread.

    You poor thing - you push a really mad agenda and then claim that people aren't being fair to you?

    Haven't you got millions to be making instead of talking to commies?


    :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think she did some good things that needed to be done but took it too far,

    What I blame her most for is squandering all the boom from the 80's the money from North Sea oil the money from privatisation, she should have been investing this money in the British economy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rich Kid wrote:
    In my view Maggie Thatcher was Britains greatest Prime Minister since Winston Churchill in WW2.
    Unlike Labour she stood up to the union bully boys who were dominating Britains industrial landscape and broke their power sending Arthur Scragill packing in the process.
    She launched the property-owning democracy whereby the yoke of State Socialism was lifted from around people's necks, giving them the right to buy their council houses rather than forever pay rent to the councils.
    She bravely regained the Falklands through her courageous stand against the Argies.
    She fought the corrupt EU for a massive rebate in contributions which we still enjoy to this day (although I reckon Labour will probably give it away!).
    Oh what a woman, its a pity we won't be seeing the likes of her again. Now we have to contend with political pygmies like Phoney Blair, how times change!

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If anyone wants to actually challenge the idea that Thatcher was the greatest PM, maybe they should try? Throwing insults just makes you look wrong
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    Compared to who exactly?
    If you had bothered to read the posting, it said, "since Winston Churchill in WW2" - geddit?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote:
    If anyone wants to actually challenge the idea that Thatcher was the greatest PM, maybe they should try? Throwing insults just makes you look wrong

    Is it really necessary? We've had this debate (or a variation of it) on a few occasions. We've produced a list as long as my arm for why "Maggie Thatcher the Milk Snatcher" was an odious woman.

    Rich Kid is just on a trolling mission at the moment, trying to drag up as many flash point topics as possible.

    Mugabe : A man on a mission from God will be next i'd imagine...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rich Kid is just on a trolling mission at the moment, trying to drag up as many flash point topics as possible.
    Not unlike the entire Tory campaign for the last three months then... ;):D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    OK you lefties lets leave the topic and admit that Maggie was and still is Britains Greatest PM since Churchill.

    Socialim is dead - Capitalism is rampant!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Most everything Scargill said came true...

    Those union 'bully boys' didnt radicalise extremely until the very late 70's/early 80's. Numerous reports of agent provocateurs being thrown out of the unions.

    The miners strike was the last time the police were deployed in large numbers all over the country, systematically and proactively. For a man advocating non-interferrance in business on the part of the government, this seems alarming if you are advocating such authoritarian measures used against the other side. 'Leave us alone but sort out those reds' , yes?

    Thatcher presided over a country at war with itself in class terms and racially, although there is a very strong case that the riots in Brixton and Toxteth were the results of socio-economic deprivation which was then taken in a racial context. During the time of the last conservative 'dynasty' Millions were unemployed, get on your bike and find work does not work if the entirety of the industry and surrounding community has been decimated. You cannot sever such close and interdependant ties to industry without severe consequences.

    Public services suffered and able people were out of work for prolonged periods, and contrary to popular belief and ignorance, being on the dole is no fun for most people.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I went to under resourced schools under that witch, got it in the neck from disaffected teachers, joined her fucking YTS scheme, paid taxes to support her fucking raping of public services, watched riots against her racist storm troopers and have a calcium deficiency from her milk robbing antics.
    Fuck her, fuck her apartheid-loving hubby, fuck her war mongering son and fuck her horse faced ugly daughter.
    Anyone who stands up for Thatcher has either got a fetish for bearded ladies or a very short fucking memory.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    At the time of the 1979 general election there were Tory billboards showing a line of unemployed people stretching into the distance. Unemployment at the time was IIRC around one million. Within three years the total unemployed rose to four million, a legacy that continued for much of the eighties. The work of a great PM?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Margaret Thatcher is the one of the main reasons in will not vote tory in the foreseeable future. The best conservative leader in ages was William Hague, he was the one tory who had Blair's number in the commons, he was a superb debator. Michael Howard's image is not helped by his rhetoric of 'people who play by the rules' and 'hard working families' it is the same rhetoric of right wing politics all over the world. Oh and while we are on the subject...anyone remember the Poll Tax?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if you are being provocative Rich Kid i can appreciate your sparking of debate, but please come back and defend this on grounds other than those pertinent for business.

    (note: for those having a go at Rich Kid for being a Christian 'On a mission from god' ho ho ho is bigoted and lazy. Engage with the debate.)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In short: an evil, inhuman, inept, tyrannical, repulsive, demented, milk-snatching, Apartheid-supporting, ultra right-wing, public-service destroying free market fundamentalist witch from hell who left the immense majority of people in this country infinitely worse off, doubled the number of children under the poverty line, introduced a repulsive me-first greed culture and only favoured the very rich.

    There's nothing else to say, really...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    (note: for those having a go at Rich Kid for being a Christian 'On a mission from god' ho ho ho is bigoted and lazy. Engage with the debate.)


    I'll take that comment as being aimed my way.

    I've not once had a go at Rich Kid for being a Christian. I have however become exasperated with his constant selective biblical references and his evasive semi-answers to perfectly reasonable questions asked of him.

    If you'll also re-read my post, the reference to "on a mission from God" was with regards to his constant inflammatory posting and was (admittedly tongue in cheek) speculating that the next topic he starts may well read along the lines of “Mugabe: On a mission from God?”.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    no it wasnt specifically aimed at you, just the underlying sentiment that his religious orientation seems to purvade every comment on his political agenda, more than it is logical to. Its becoming a slander rather than part of a challenge to discourse.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    When you have to deal with comments such as:
    OK you lefties lets leave the topic and admit that Maggie was and still is Britains Greatest PM since Churchill.

    Socialim is dead - Capitalism is rampant!

    It's hard not to fall to his level.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Most everything Scargill said came true...
    Yea, like the Grand Old Duke of York, he marched the miners up to the top of the hill then marched them down again, only when they got there, there was no coal industry left!
    Those union 'bully boys' didnt radicalise extremely until the very late 70's/early 80's. Numerous reports of agent provocateurs being thrown out of the unions.
    Scargill achieved something I don't think anyone else could have, he split the miners union into two, and from that point on the miners cause was lost. Talk about strategy, red Arfur was just a commie out for his own glory. He now lives quietly on a £60k pension, free for life union house, and car - well done Arfur!
    The miners strike was the last time the police were deployed in large numbers all over the country, systematically and proactively.
    They were Maggies storm-troopers and a fine job they did too!
    For a man advocating non-interferrance in business on the part of the government, this seems alarming if you are advocating such authoritarian measures used against the other side. 'Leave us alone but sort out those reds' , yes?
    YES! We needed to break the power of the bully boy unions and we did starting with one of the most powerful the miners - great days!
    Thatcher presided over a country at war with itself in class terms and racially,
    It was a country trying to recover from the Winter of Discontent and the mess left behind by Labour. The bully boys still tried to make trouble on the streets but it was all leftwing-inspired militancy in its death throes.
    Public services suffered and able people were out of work for prolonged periods, and contrary to popular belief and ignorance, being on the dole is no fun for most people.
    Unions make people poorer, the working class haven't cottoned on to this yet. Thatcher laid the solid foundations for the economic growth that we've now taken for granted. If it wasn't for her our long overdue structural changes would never have happened.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rich Kid wrote:
    Unions make people poorer, the working class haven't cottoned on to this yet.

    How do you work that out then?

    Are you seriously suggesting that business would pay more than it absolutely had to if it were not for a bit of arm-twisting?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    longdog wrote:
    How do you work that out then?

    Are you seriously suggesting that business would pay more than it absolutely had to if it were not for a bit of arm-twisting?
    Their restrictive practices have cost British industry dear, and with it a loss of many many jobs - our manufacturing base was sverely damaged by militant union activity and wild-cat strikes. The Britsh car industryt stands as a fine example of how unions have brought an industry to its knees, indeed wiped it out. The miners union is another.
    Millions of workers have lost their jobs through these knuckle heads!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thatcher's was a necessary government. If Thatcher hadnt done it someone else would have.

    She was Britains first truly modern Prime Minister.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh and while we are on the subject...anyone remember the Poll Tax?
    Actually it was called the Community Charge, it was the left-wing trouble-makers who dubbed it the "Poll Tax" for their street protests.

    Many people are now looking back fondly on it, it was a fair tax, based on the principle of "if you vote, you should pay" - now we have Council Tax which has at least doubled under Labour, with more rises to come post election. This says that you pay according to the value of your house, regardless of your income!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lol i really have trouble taking such McCarthiest rhetorical...discourse... seriously. Are you honestly suggesting that the 'Community Charge' was fair? Unilateral taxation in a capitalist economy? That sounds like selective egalitarianism to me...a 'blue' policy in 'red' clothing.

    The working class havent cottoned on to what exactley?

    Oh of course current economic stability has nothing to do with an extremely able chancellor has it?
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