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Should ANY service be provided at the barrel of a gun?

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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As the topic says. Very intereted to hear your views on this.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Either post something intelligent or don't bother.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Good answer. Sorry I missed if it was a "yes" or a "no". Could you clarify that for me please, Blagsta?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Might help if your original post made some sense? Are you talking metaphorically or literally?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sorry you lost me. There was no metaphor in the original post and as it was written, it would have to be literally.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes - the service of defence of the realm is often best provided at the point of a gun.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hmm, well also not truly understanding what precisely you are looking for by way of responses here, I would have to say that military service wouldn't be very effective if not provided at the "barrel of a gun", police service as well. ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I smell libertarianism :nervous:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The people who get blown up by the military aren't the ones being provided the service, same for the police.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    A&E departments might run a bit better on Friday and Saturday nights with a few armed guards.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No, you are right there klintock, and indeed in most instances of modern military/police application I should say that the use of the gun is NOT in service to the public but only to the furtherance or defense of elite privilege and control.

    My examples were more of a lighthearted retort to a rather nebulous question.

    As for libertarian, you neednt worry from this quarter Al.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    The people who get blown up by the military aren't the ones being provided the service, same for the police.

    Your question is extremely unclear.

    The military would claim that it is providing a service to the general public when it shoots people. Ditto the cops when they shoot Scottish men bearing table legs....

    :yeees:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Do the "general public" have the option of declining the military or the polices services?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    Do the "general public" have the option of declining the military or the polices services?

    No.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    Do the "general public" have the option of declining the military or the polices services?

    Well, 2 million of them could get together and have a march .......
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock

    If you have a critique of government, then post it. Otherwise shut it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you don't want to answer my simple, easy to follow questions, then you don't have to, Blagsta. You don't have to read the posts I make and undertand them, you are free to do what you want.

    It's not like I am using force to make you accept my version of reality or anything.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You haven't posted any "simple, easy to follow questions". All you've done is post a load of badly thought out shit.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I am sorry, what is difficult to understand about "Should ANY service be provided at the barrel of a gun?"
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You're not as bright as you think you are, are you?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't think I am bright, quite the opposite in fact. It's why I like to ask questions to verify things. I also like to share what I have found with others to see if I have got things right.

    When no new facts or arguments come forward, I kind of assume I was correct. When I am insulted or whatever, it doesn't seem to invalidate what I state, only facts or constructed argument would do that.

    Do you actually have any, or do my questions reveal a scary world of primary experience?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The normal procedure here is to state the debateable point, state your views and why you think that and then ask for response.

    You seem to have posed a question which has little interest to anyone and you havent posted your own views which normally make things more interesting.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    I am sorry, what is difficult to understand about "Should ANY service be provided at the barrel of a gun?"

    WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR QUESTION SUPPOSED TO MEAN?

    Are you asking if a bus service should be provided and people should be forced to use it at gunpoint?

    Are you asking if a bus service should be provided by holding the government at gunpoint until they implement one?

    Are you asking if a bus stop should be placed at barrels of guns?

    Are you asking if a bus drivers should be forced at gun point to drive buses?

    Maybe if you asked a comprehensible question you'd get a decent response, instead of insulting everybodys intelligence and just assuming you're the only one clever enough to understand such a deep and potent question.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If everyone is saying your question makes no sense, it probably doesn't.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Is English your native language klintock, i am guessing not?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As to the question (I think)

    Enforced public ayment for certain goods is necessary because they are things which people benefit form whether they pay for or not i.e. they are a public good.

    For example street lighting. If i want lights on my street I have to pay a lot of money for something that will benfit lots of people, if everyone is not forced to pay then you get 'free-riders' or cheats etc that undermine the whole system

    Whilst you may argue that forcing people to pay precludes their stating a desire for this service and ehilst this is reasonable in some cases the general enforcement is necessary for a lot of things ad the will of the majority is likely to dictate as in most areas in a dmeocracy.......
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    better question might have been

    "What services, if any, should be provided with the threat of a gun"
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    I am sorry, what is difficult to understand about "Should ANY service be provided at the barrel of a gun?"

    Are there any?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Toadborg wrote:
    Whilst you may argue that forcing people to pay precludes their stating a desire for this service and ehilst this is reasonable in some cases the general enforcement is necessary for a lot of things ad the will of the majority is likely to dictate as in most areas in a dmeocracy.......

    Mob rule ??

    seeker
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    As the topic says. Very intereted to hear your views on this.

    i think blagsta has a point for once./..what are you on about...i know you're wrapped up in your own wee world where everyone could be brillasint...we could all be perfect but it's not like that...we're such a diverse species and i think that the system we have now is the best one and unless you can cone up wif some viable alternativs i'll not listen to you....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    I don't think I am bright, quite the opposite in fact. It's why I like to ask questions to verify things. I also like to share what I have found with others to see if I have got things right.

    When no new facts or arguments come forward, I kind of assume I was correct. When I am insulted or whatever, it doesn't seem to invalidate what I state, only facts or constructed argument would do that.

    Do you actually have any, or do my questions reveal a scary world of primary experience?

    Your posts present no substance to engage with. You are a 1st year philosophy student aren't you?
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