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The BBC: close this useless waste of money down

he thread about PC licensing has made me post this.

The BBC is funded by tax. You have no choice to pay this tax, regardless of whether you watch BBC TV. None of the other TV companies receive this tax.

The BBC then wastes this money on shite than nobody watches, and on "celebrities" that most people want to beat to death with a heavy blunt instrument. Graham Norton, poached by the BBC for an annual salary of £1million, is never used, and Norton isn't the worst example of this.

The BBC has shown that it is anything but neutral (the Kelly affair, it's continuous condemnation of the Conservative party and it's continuous eulogising of Labour. It wastes its money on things nobody wants or likes. It ignores serious programming, instead basing itself on the poor diet of "celebrity" "make-over" programmes, and it tries to push its competitors out of the market by making the public pay more to watch and listen to its pathetic left-wing political rantings and its disgraceful "celebrity" shit.

It is time that the BBC was privatised and shut down. The BBC has no place in a modern society, and it has no place trying to be populist by wasting our money on overpaid, over-hyped and under-brained "celebrities" that it doesn't know what to do with. It has no place interfering in politics, continually pushing it's neo-socialist claptrap at everyone. It has no place pushing its left-wing shit at the country and then having the temerity to claim it is "neutral".

The sooner the BBC is closed down, once and for all, the better for everyone.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hell fucking yea.

    Fuck Ken Livingstone

    Fuck BBC.

    Fuck Graham Norton

    Fuck Dale Winton

    Fuck Everything except for Match of the Day

    Everything else is bullshit

    Channel 4 is 100x Better
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I hate adverts, so I pay the fee quite happily.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    not until after Doctor Who has finished
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kentish wrote:
    I hate adverts, so I pay the fee quite happily.
    And the BBC never shows adverts?

    Just because it's advertising some other braindead drivel on later that evening, or its one of those hugely expensive ads where some non-entity tells you why the BBC is wonderful, it doesn't mean its not advertising.

    At least on ITV the adverts are for something I might vaguely want to buy. On the BBC its just telling me how wonderful the BBC is, and its a succession of ads telling me how great it is not to have to sit through ads on the BBC.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    *applauds*

    Kermit is a cool guy/chick
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Guy;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I like the BBC and it has many quality programs, much better than the shit you get on ITV and Sky. I wouldn't want all my TV going down the drain like that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You mean quality like Fame Academy and EastEnders?

    ITV's output is dire, and their viewing figures have dropped. That means less advertising income, which means they need to styart [producing better TV.

    What, exactly, prevents the BBC from wasting vast swathes of money on shite? Such as, for instance, the £10million spent on the adaptation of Gormenghast, which was watched by nobody.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    You mean quality like Fame Academy and EastEnders?

    ITV's output is dire, and their viewing figures have dropped. That means less advertising income, which means they need to styart [producing better TV.

    What, exactly, prevents the BBC from wasting vast swathes of money on shite? Such as, for instance, the £10million spent on the adaptation of Gormenghast, which was watched by nobody.

    I don't watch things like those. However, I watch things about current affairs and comedy programs like Have I Got News For You, Never Mind the Buzzcocks, Billy Connelly etc etc.

    Its not something I mind paying three or four pound a week for.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    It ignores serious programming, instead basing itself on the poor diet of "celebrity" "make-over" programmes

    That is ITV and C4.

    I watch BBC1, 2, and Channel 5. I rarley watch the others except when 4 has a documentary on about something. ITV only for Bond and Star Wars.

    So Supervolcano and the Fact Based show are a waste? Horizon is a waste? And come on, Sport on BBC rules, no adverts or shite.

    ITV is shit, nothing but soaps and "Im a failing celebrity get me on this show". Same with 4, but with more "Im nobody, put me on reality TV" and Dodgey American sitcoms.

    5 has cool old stuff like Columbo, Magnum PI, etc. And the best films. 'Bout time Goodfellas was on again. :thumb:

    Although, IMO, I do miss Greg Dyke. Even with his name. Bring the man back already! Oh, and then, show me non-biased Media.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What right do the BBC have to waste so much of our money on over-paid and over-hyped Premiershit football?

    Sky Sports exists for a reason. If you want to watchj sport, subscribe to a sport channel. Why should people be forced to pay for something they don't watch or like?

    Oh, and Panorama is socialist scaremongering claptrap.

    Renzo: that's fine, I quite agree. You think that's worth £126 a year. You should be given the choice to pay that.

    I should be given the choice to watch TV without having to pay a huge amount of money to a greedy and wasteful organisation that shows nothing but shite anyway.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    What right do the BBC have to waste so much of our money on over-paid and over-hyped Premiershit football?

    Sky Sports exists for a reason. If you want to watchj sport, subscribe to a sport channel. Why should people be forced to pay for something they don't watch or like?

    Oh, and Panorama is socialist scaremongering claptrap.

    Renzo: that's fine, I quite agree. You think that's worth £126 a year. You should be given the choice to pay that.

    I should be given the choice to watch TV without having to pay a huge amount of money to a greedy and wasteful organisation that shows nothing but shite anyway.


    With regards to sport, you can also reverse it and ask why should I have to pay "x" amount to line Murdochs pockets in order to watch sports?

    And go on give me an example of a Panorama episode with a "socialist" agenda.... I have not watched that program ever mind you so Im curious.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Shite, in your opinion. Oh, please remember not all of us have Sky too. So, STFU comparing it to sky already.

    You think Panorama is that, thoers might not do. Either way, A biased source is still not to be dismissed out of hand if it raised a relevant issue. Thats what annoys me when I watch sky with half the shows on military stuff being from the US, or when I catch some of Fox news. Fucking right wing garbage. :p

    Yeah, if you want it, you should get the choice to pay for it. This government could certainly fill in the funding gap with its ridiculous taxes and money made from privatising nearly everything.

    I don't want the Beeb privatised. No adverts! Adverts are bloodt annyoing. Channel 4 has gone mad with them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I quite like the BBC.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    they provide a half decent news outlet at the very least.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i have to agree with the frog,on this one!....the bbc should paddle its own canoe!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I completely agree with Kermit. Never thought I'd see the day.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Renzo wrote:
    With regards to sport, you can also reverse it and ask why should I have to pay "x" amount to line Murdochs pockets in order to watch sports?

    Why not?

    You want to watch something, you pay for it. You don't want to watch something, don't pay for it. Simple.

    If you want to watch something offered by a channel, but dislike its owner, then you are allowed to choose whether you feel strongly enough to shop with that company or not. Murdoch isn't the only owner of a sports channel, either.

    And yes, it is only my opinion that the BBC is biased shite. But that's exactly my point: I shouldn't be forced to pay a lot of money for something that I don't want to watch. I don't like Sky One, so I don't buy it, but if I want to watch TV at all I have to buy the BBC's products, or I will go to jail.

    I am forced to choose between watching TV and not. I want to watch independent analogue TV (especially the Champions League), but I am not allowed to without paying a very large sum of money to the direct competitor of the TV channel showing the CL football. I dislike the BBC, but I am not allowed to choose whether I pay for BBC programming.

    The system stinks.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i think it will be a sad day when one of the last decent media outlets to have one foot in the public domain keels over
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Question for Kermit, though. Although I completely agree with you that the BBC is an expensive waste of money, how do you think the BBC should be allowed to raise money? Subscriptions or advertising for example? Or should the Beeb just be scrapped altogether? I ask, as though I'm in agreement, I'm not sure what can replace it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The BBC should either become a subscription service, or be privatised and be funded by advertising revenue.

    Let people decide if the BBC is worth paying for. If it's any good, it will stay in business; if it isn't, it will go bust. Which might make the BBC start producing programmes that aren't shit.

    For instance, I would use BBCi and pay for it (and as I don't have a TV I don't pay for it atm). I would pay a subscription to listen to radio 2. But it should be my choice to do so.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    question is thought would the resulting service be up to the standards you expect or would the nature of the organisation change due to restructuring and the introduction of differing vested interests?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if the bbc was privatised it couldn't claim to be the unbiased news source, which is complete bullshit anyways.........i watch the footie and have i got news for you, other than that its complete shite and not worth £100+.........not that i pay it anyways, but we shouldn't have to be on red a- fucking-lert 24/7 for the licence officer coming round...........
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The BBC is yet another service funded by taxation which you have no choice to pay if you want to watch any television.

    More tax=a bad thing.

    plus the fact that the BBC is filled with Trotskyite do-gooders who are so far up their own arses that their arrogance stinks out the whole goddamn television industry.

    Yet another government service which should be privitised.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The BBC is arguably the best public broadcasting company in the world :/ I can't think of any to compare it to really.

    The BBC, whether you like it or not, does actually do a lot of good stuff that a fair majority of people like.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Then they should be allowed to choose whether to buy its services or not.

    It's the only public service broadcaster of its scale: everywhere else gives people a choice.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit you miss a vital point.

    You are taxed to watch every channel and I'm not talking about the licence fee here.

    Who pays for the adverts which fund the independents?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The BBC is yet another service funded by taxation which you have no choice to pay if you want to watch any television.

    More tax=a bad thing.

    plus the fact that the BBC is filled with Trotskyite do-gooders who are so far up their own arses that their arrogance stinks out the whole goddamn television industry.

    Yet another government service which should be privitised.

    Another well informed and balanced comment by The Matadore. :thumb: :yeees:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The BBC is arguably the best public broadcasting company in the world :/ I can't think of any to compare it to really.

    The BBC, whether you like it or not, does actually do a lot of good stuff that a fair majority of people like.

    it may well do but i dont see why i should have to pay for a service thats broadcast around the world.........i dont get any say in how the bbc is run, yet i have to f'ing pay............the only reason they have got their 10 year extension is because they're an excellent tool of propaganda, appearing neutral whilst never criticising u.sa., israel, the u.k., or western foreign policy in general, in fact on any of the issues that actually matter..........which is why people are so ignorant, they are trusting the BBC will tell them what the fuck is actually going on in the world, but the scope of their broadcasting is about as limited as my say in how the bbc is run.......
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I can see the point, but I don't think it's especially relevant. I can see the logic, and it is a valdi point, but there comes a time when something is so many steps removed from something else that they are not linked.

    I choose to buy a product off a company. That company chooses to spend my money on another company. I am not legally forced to buy ITV's products, I will not go to jail if I refuse to. I choose to spend my money as I wish, so your point about advertising revenue actually backs up what I'm saying.

    How good or how bad the BBC is is irrelevant. It is not a core service, it should not gain custom by threatening people with prison.
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