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'Cannabis destroyed my brother'
BillieTheBot
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No, not my words, but rather that of Pam Blake. The 51-year old from Hayling Island near Portsmouth said her brother Brian spiralled into schizophrenia and delusional behaviour. She believes this was because of his smoking and cannabis use. Click here for story.
So, as you lot here in the drugs forums like to talk down to anyone who doesn't know absolutely everything there is to know about drugs, (and more besides) what do you make of all this?
So, as you lot here in the drugs forums like to talk down to anyone who doesn't know absolutely everything there is to know about drugs, (and more besides) what do you make of all this?
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CANNABIS CAN AND HAS BEEN REPEATEDLY SHOWN TO EXACCERBATE EXISTING OR LATANT SYMPTOMS OF MENTAL ILLNESS, particularly schiezophrenia, in repeat users.
What IS your point SG? we know this...it is said and tragic and god alone knows i wouldnt not want to go through it...BUT WE KNOW THIS SG... we spend a good amount of time on this board discussing it, some of us read up on, some of us even attend public lectures on it...
Yet here you are again...trying to tell us something you think we do not know...CANNABIS CAN HARM certain people and has usage patterns as varied as the day long...
we dont talk down to you SG, you have it good in here and we dont abuse you or make fun of you or anything. But when you come in here with sensationalist bollocks trying to catch us out because you think that everyone in here thinks all drugs are great and brilliant and harm-free and that everything thats ever been said about every psychoactive substance ever is a big fat lie to spoil our fun...well...we do get sick of it...
The point of this board is FOR people to be informed, FOR people to learn and debate and discuss...you included...the problem is that you have to admit that you dont know about certain things...if you asked questions more instead of coming in with the 'AHA, AHA!' type posts then we probs wouldnt come across as condescending.
In the grand scheme of things i know fuck bloody all about a massive and contested topic called 'drugs', but at least im trying to fill that gap. Looking to catch people out will not help anyone in here or further your knowledge...theres no need.
Peace
A dangerous edge to hard cannabis use
If people have mental health issues lying in their minds then cannabis use may only trigger it off.
Unsuprisingly it was in the Mail....im not a mail reader by any means. I actually understand the meaning of "the real world" for a start, but it was in the house.
Peace
The reason I posted this was merely to see what you make of the media putting out all the hysteria and the sensationalism on an important topic.
is a contradictory statement to this;
im not talking down to you SG, the context in which you framed your original post was to put to drugs board posters a situation in which cannabis use could cause harm, and add a little footnote about how haughty we are about what we do and do not know relative to people maybe have better things to do with their time that read about drugs all day.
That is why you got that reply...but you already know this, you're just covering your ass because you know you've been had.
There is nothing wrong with your post at all, just the way you put it across got you a similar reaction.
oh and still when have we ever talked down to you?
if that is all you ask, then only ask that.
i didnt say it was badly worded, what i am saying is it was constructed in a confronational manner which provoked a reaction
As for my original post that started this thread, maybe it was somewhat aggressive. But what exactly do you expect when it was posted so late at night? Isn't a man ever allowed to be tired?
on with the debate...
in all my years of smoking i have never seen anyone suffer any long term problems apart from ...the people who you would suspect may do with or without drink and drugs.
some people are fucked in this life ...destined not to cope.
was it the weed? i doubt it but of course it could well be the substance that tipped the balance.
I know you didn't mention alcohol but I am, alcohol is in my opinion a much more harmful drug than cannabis, look at the amount of people that die each year from alcohol, the families that are destroyed, i've seen people die from drink slowly, i know i'll see more.
Cannabis dosen't destroy people the way drink does, if a person drinks long enough they can't get off drink, if they don't drink they'll die, if you smoke cannabis for years and you suddenly stop you might find it hard to get to sleep at night and have very realistic vivid dreams, tolerance and understanding is everything in alcohol and drug abuse.
Have you ever been stoned?
Can be mentally addictive, but that's not hard to beat if you want to. It's your mind against the body and the mind is stronger.
one of thre most in depth ones was in victorian times ...the research still stands to this day.
british soldiers were using the stuff on a huge level ...some were going crazy ...realy fucking crazy as were many of the locals ...it was deffo the cannabis ...until that was this great research was done ...it turned out to be syphilis!
then the wooton report of the late sixties ...set up by the government again ...lady wooton came back with the advice that it should be fully legalised ...the government imediatley put the penalties up!
they didn't want their own comittee coming up with such ideas.
all the research thats ever been done has always come to the conclusion that if you are mentaly troubled or emotionaly unstable ...using the stuff isn't a good idea.
there is nothing new iun any of these more recent findings.
i'd be careful with that one mate, Crack is not physically addictive and you wouldnt make the same arguement there.
Each individual's usage patterns will differ and what is easy for one may not be for another for an almost infinately diverse set of reasons.
I know toking can be mentally addicting, if you get into a habit of smoking the same times each day you want to get stoned, have a smoke and if it's there it's gonna be smoked. Some smoke their gear too quick though, mate had a 1/2oz yesterday, none anymore.
But, you have to look at the risk objectively, for those who are at risk it raises the risk by 4 times (I believe thats the figure the government was saying), but 4 times what?
4 times a 1 in a million chance isnt all that much of a risk for example.
Heavy cannabis use is linked to mental health concerns, but then heavy use of ANY intoxicant from chocolate to crack cocaine is linked to problems.
I read it in Nursing times magazine, but cant find it on the website so cant link to it sorry.
no its an extreme example i grant you.
Addiction Psychiatry is a highly contested area, particularly as it such an individualistic area involving ridiculous amounts of socio-economic, biological, chemical and psychiatric variables. I had the opportunity to chat (albeit briefly, could have chatted to that geezer for hours) to a consultant in addiction psychiatry who works with all manner of addiction models in Brum.
The impression i was given was particularly with cannabis addiction that addiction models are socially reinforced over time. its has in many cases habitual practices (getting gear regularly, regular usage patterns) over time reinforced by for example irritability and boredom in some cases, inability to sleep in others upon withdrawl.
Its a highly individualistic model that in alot of cases might not even be able to be labelled 'addiction'.
What is it though with vivid dreams? i've heard of alot people getting this whenever they don't have a smoke if they are regular users.