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Finally- the Kyoto Agreement comes into force today

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4267245.stm

There is a bit of hope yet.

Shame that the government of the world's biggest polluting nation continues to behave like a selfish, greedy, unilateralist pariah and refuses to join.

And shame to the odious Australian government too.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Congrats to the US and Oz for not being bullied into signing this flawed agreement.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    double post
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh Matadore... I knew you wouldn't be able to keep away from such a thread, seeing as you're such a defender of the environment... :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The science behind global warming isnt perfect, and how much of the changes are because of us it somewhat up for debate, however its fairly bloody obvious we arent helping.

    Whether this treaty will help or not I really dont know, have UN treaties done a massive amount of good in the past?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Woot for the kyoto protocol. And don’t worry, the US will come around eventually. Our international corporations wont be able to resist the whole bit about helping to build energy efficient power plants in developing nations and earning extra polluting credits.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I was reading an article somewhere today and even car makers such as Ford et al have admitted global warming exists and must be tackled.

    Incredibly, the US government and the neo-cons still claim there is no such thing or that it is not a bad thing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I hope everyone will be doing there bit.

    In the end it is the way we live our lives at the individual level that is the important factor, not these big govt deals, though they help to set the tone and enforce change to some degree.

    If everyone thought more about there own actions we could easily meet and better the Kyoto targets......
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Congrats to the US and Oz for not being bullied into signing this flawed agreement.

    :D

    Never fail to say the stupid thing, do you?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The Stupid thing?

    The Honest thing...

    The Correct thing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I guess that the rest of the world is wrong then. Reducing emission is a bad idea?

    Given that the US and Oz have refused to sign for financial reasons only...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lukesh wrote:
    The agreement is a complete flaw if countries like India and China are not included.

    yes, a complete and utter flaw, there's no point in trying to save the earth now because two countries aren't included. :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lukesh wrote:
    and oh to point out.... China and India are rapidly growing therefore burning more than the Western world put together in years to come.

    :D good one luke....NOT!

    india and china together will never waste as much as the USA alone, whatever century we're in.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lukesh wrote:
    don't complain about australia and the states then mate.

    there's a difference in not meeting the requirments as the source says and point blankly refusing to sign.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lukesh wrote:
    idiot. thats what you are.

    explain, americans have absolutely no regard whatsoever for the earth or it's resources and while it maintains it's hegemony over the world, nothing will change....idiot :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lukesh wrote:
    as any one asked india and china?
    excuse me, what are you on about

    here's a quote from the source

    "But the world's top polluter - the US - has not signed up to the treaty."

    "Large developing countries including India, China and Brazil are not required to meet specific targets for now."
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lukesh wrote:
    The agreement is a complete flaw if countries like India and China are not included.

    Actually they are.

    Only 36 nations have specific targets to achieve, and they are the "developed" countries who can. The plan is that the others will have to develop whilst not increasing their levels of pollution...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lukesh wrote:
    as developed countries decrease their levels and developing countries increase theres..... nothing is chaning.

    1. Did you read what I wrote?

    2. Wouldn't one reducing be better than neither reducing?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lukesh wrote:
    well.... if nothing is chaning then there is no point of doing it..... I believe that ALL countries should be involved.

    I'll try again.
    Actually they are.

    Only 36 nations have specific targets to achieve, and they are the "developed" countries who can. The plan is that the others will have to develop whilst not increasing their levels of pollution...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lukesh wrote:
    well.... if nothing is chaning then there is no point of doing it..... I believe that ALL countries should be involved.
    There are just over 200 countries in the world now. How do you get so many countries to sign onto one agreement? As for Lukesh, very defeatist of you. It's sad that the USA won't sign onto it for entirely selfish reasons as per usual...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    America should be forced to do something.

    6% of the worlds population.

    25% of the worlds pollution.

    Good old U S of A :yeees:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    americans have absolutely no regard whatsoever for the earth or it's resources :)
    native americans did ...their whole belief system was tied up in living with the earth not on it.
    kyoto ...to little to late in my opinion.
    i agree with luke tha china especialy is a huge problem with as yet no answers.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'll try again.

    :lol: it's usually a lost cause.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lukesh wrote:
    And you anti American sod.... why blame America?

    I think his comment speaks for itself. Although only 6% of the population, they are the cause of 25% of the pollution.

    You can bitch and moan about China and India all you like, but until the US starts taking pollution seriously we really aren't going to get much change.

    In fact, if the rest of the world play their part, the US proportion will just increase.
    Why don'tyou piss off to an lovely Islamic resgime.
    If you're not muslim you'll go into prison. :)

    Oh FFS.

    Maturity not a option for you?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lukesh wrote:
    I think you'll find they are more inmature than me.

    Why dont you just say 'my dads bigger than your dad'?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Congrats to the US and Oz for not being bullied into signing this flawed agreement.

    um the US helped to write kyoto ya know. and then there was the whole "election" thing in 2000 and we backed out.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    explain, americans have absolutely no regard whatsoever for the earth or it's resources

    hey now lets not stereotype here. lol.

    and besides there's nothing wrong with wanting to stuff our fat faces with Whoppers whilst driving through town in our Hummers getting 2 gallons to the mile. :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Interesting thing.

    In geography we have a theme about this phenomena (no clue what it's called, and what it is, just got told tody that I have to write an assignment about it for thursday. WTF), and saw a video with all kinds of specialists.
    Basically it is argued that co2 has nothing to do with the ozone layer and that the whole thing is caused by the thing I don't know what is. And that the politicians are using the co2 as a political mean of power. Think of selling and buying quotas and imposing environment taxes.

    Will try to find out more about what the thing actually is, or called for that matter, but yeah just thought I'd mention it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You're right, CO2 does have nothing to do with the ozone layer. It has everything to do with the greenhouse effect though. It's CFC's that destroy the ozone layer.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dear Wendy wrote:
    Interesting thing.

    In geography we have a theme about this phenomena (no clue what it's called, and what it is, just got told tody that I have to write an assignment about it for thursday. WTF), and saw a video with all kinds of specialists.
    Basically it is argued that co2 has nothing to do with the ozone layer and that the whole thing is caused by the thing I don't know what is. And that the politicians are using the co2 as a political mean of power. Think of selling and buying quotas and imposing environment taxes.

    Will try to find out more about what the thing actually is, or called for that matter, but yeah just thought I'd mention it.

    Some geographers and scientists do indeed argue that the climate change that is occuring now is indeed just a natural phenomenon. The climate has quite heavily fluctuated since the last ice age.

    You cynic you.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    You're right, CO2 does have nothing to do with the ozone layer. It has everything to do with the greenhouse effect though. It's CFC's that destroy the ozone layer.
    Sorry, ozone layer, greenhouse effect, whatever. I am totally ignorant on this issue (and YES I volounterly chose geography. Do not ask me why). But I will read up on it for my assignment and fill you in.

    If interested then look up a guy called Nigel Calder who commented on this.
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