Freedom vs Terror: And the winner is ......

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Despite the wall to wall coverage of the misdeeds of the badly named insurgents in Iraq, the BBC reports that Coalition forces have probably killed more civilians in the last 6 months that all the evil "terrorists" put together.

Conflict-related civilian deaths in Iraq. July 2004 to January 2005
3,274 civilians killed in total
2,041 by coalition and Iraqi security forces
1,233 by insurgents
12,657 civilians wounded in total
8,542 by coalition and Iraqi security forces
4,115 by insurgents

:shocking:

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lukesh wrote:

terrorists are killing the most civilains and preventing democarcy you guys must be in your element.

is democarcy the carcass of democracy or what?

I agree with you, the coalition forces are terrorists.

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lukesh wrote:

terrorists are killing the most civilains and preventing democarcy you guys must be in your element.

Errrr...no. The facts say otherwise Luke.

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Lukesh I do hope you are not inciting violence and possibly asassination (!)

You know that is not allowed!!!!1

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lukesh wrote:

terrorists are killing the most civilains and preventing democarcy

I'm glad you agree that the illegal Coallition operating in Iraq amounts to nothing more than terrorists.

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ok you cruel heartless bunch of commies ...explain in language that luke will understand ...what a terrorist is ...
now theres a challenge!
could be interesting.

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lukesh wrote:

crazy you are totally crazy. i;d love see you in iraq... your head would be blown off. :thumb: good job

Yes, yes I'm sure you'd like to see me dead lukesh. And, the odds suggest that it would be a coalition force soldier who would off me. Right?



I don't want your kind of "freedom" lukesh.

:wave:

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lukesh wrote:

freedom will happen in created in iraq regardless of what YOU left wing things think. we know you all love saddam

Bet you £1000 that Bush is responsible for the deaths of more innocent civilians than Saddam.

You do love Bush, don't you lukesh?

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lukesh wrote:

No, I don't like bush.

You were camapigning for him not so long ago!

Why don't you like the fundamentalist terrorist?

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lukesh wrote:

No, I don't like bush.

must be a love-hate relationship

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lukesh wrote:

may I add that i supported the war based on it getting rid of the brutle resgime that was once in place.

I bet my house that if you were 20 years older you would have supported the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein during the 1980s, just as the USA did- and all those dead Kurds be damned.

Recognise the man shaking hands with Saddam?

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lukesh wrote:

However, I do not see him as a terrorist and may I add that i supported the war based on it getting rid of the brutle resgime that was once in place.

to be replaced by a different and more destructive regiem.
before we invaded ...the vast majority of iraquis were living ordinary peaceful lives.
there was no violence ...house prices in the suburbs were still rising on the eve of the invasion ...because even those who wanted the yanks to topple saddam ...didn't suspect for a moment their entire country was going to become one of bloodshed and destruction.
how would your family feel ...sucsessful buisness ...good schools ...nice restuarants and night clubs ...police force fire brigade ...all the ythings you take for granted ...gone in a wave of shock and awe to be replaced by horror ...how would you be feeling liuke?

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lukesh wrote:

. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance don't they?

even saddam?

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lukesh wrote:

hes had chance after chance after chance.... through out the 90's. and then in 2002/3.

what chances were they then?
was it wen he decided to trade oil in euros that he finaly blew it?

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lukesh wrote:

Everyone deserves a 2nd chance don't they?

Somehow I think you mean anything BUT "Everyone"

Bush couldn't give a flying fuck about the harshness of Saddam's regime, all he cared about was that he didn't have control of the oil.

Have you noticed how you and friends stopped giving a fuck about the disgusting conditions that Afghani women live under, once the Northern Alliance was in control?

We don't believe you care.

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lukesh wrote:

Bingo! I love you Aladdin boy. i knew you could show me that excat picture. Amazing.

They make have supported Saddam in the 80's but they have finally realised that it was wrong. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance don't they?

LOL

Don't be surprised if people say you come across as naive Luke...

How come they have not realised the President of Uzbekistan is a tyrant, a dictator and a monster? Bush is shaking hands with Karimov as he boils people alive and sends small children to force labour camps.

I don't hear any Bush supporters (or the chimp himself) complain much about human right abuses there...


How incredibly gullible you can be.

Christ.

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lukesh wrote:

hes had chance after chance after chance.... through out the 90's. and then in 2002/3.

And he went a produced a fat dossier showing that there were no WMDs.

Remember?

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lukesh wrote:

to step down.

Why should the head of State of a sovereign nation step down? Because an unelected warmongering chimpanzee demands it?

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lukesh wrote:

who are my friends?

and who says I don't care?

Fellow tories and repuglicans.

And I say you don't care.

:yes:

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So is Bush.

So is Blair.

So is Ariel Sharon.

So presumably, it would be okay to kill these men and invade their countries.

Wouldn't it?

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lukesh wrote:

if thats the case, most presidents of the world are. there is a slight differnce between them you stated and saddam. saddam wanted them killed, i don';t see blair saying he wants them killed.

aladdin i can't see how you can compare blair to saddam.

FACT: Saddam has never attacked the US.

FACT: Saddam has never threatened to attack the US.

FACT: Saddam has never attacked Britain.

FACT: Saddam has never threatened to attack Britain.


This is not about comparing who's worse Luke. This is about the fact that no individual country has the right to demand that the head of State of a sovereign nation should step down- let alone force it.

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In extreme cases, and ONLY with the authorisation of the United Nations.

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lukesh wrote:

but don't the larger countries have aduty to help them who are in need?

do you have any idea how prosperous your average iraqi was?
do you have any idea whatsoever about the lifestyles of these people?

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The US and British governments are a complete joke.

Thank god for the United Nations. Imagine how much damage those pariah governments would do to other nations if the UN weren't around...

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lukesh wrote:

the UN is a complete joke.

and you are not?

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lukesh wrote:

the us and uk shown the the uk is useless they went to war with saddam with out un approval.

no,thats just proving that the US and the UK are nut cases

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lukesh wrote:

the UN is a joke, just look at the situation in sudan... they decide to interfear when loads of sundaneese have died.

yes, because its not really any of there business unless anything major happens

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lukesh wrote:

the us and uk shown the the uk is useless they went to war with saddam with out un approval.

And those members of the UN that voted against the war were proved RIGHT. And they were right to oppose the war.

And the criminal governments of Britain and the US went to war regardless like the international pariahs they are.

And look at the incredible mess the entire world is today, thanks to it.

Lock up Bush and Blair now!

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lukesh wrote:

the UN is a complete joke.

MrG wrote:

and you are not?

lukesh wrote:

no, i am luke.

ladies and gentlemen, i rest my case

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but a countries soil is sovereign and nothing should be done unless they feel the dire need to

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No the UN is brilliant.

It curbs the risks of international pariahs and bullies such as the US government from doing what the fuck they want.

Too bad this time the bully ignored the will of the UN and the entire world and commited a war crime.

See the mess that's been created? That's what happens when countries ignore the law and become bullies.