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5 good reasons not to take drugs

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1. Drugs mess with your mind

Drugs can make you lose your ability to remember things, think clearly and study. They can also cause people to act in strange unpredictable ways. Many people commit violent crimes while under the influence of drugs.

2. Drugs mess with your body

Drugs can make you ill and an overdose can kill you. They are poisons after all. The list of diseases you can catch as a result of using drugs is very long. Since drugs use up your bodys supply of vitamins and minerals , you become more susceptable to diseases.

3. Drugs mess with your wallet

Drugs make doing your job difficult which can make it harder to earn money. Also a drug habit can be really expensive and this is why addicts are forced into crime.

4. Drugs mess with your travel plans

Anyone ever found guilty of drugs offences will not be allowed entrance into other countries such as Canada and the USA. Why lose exciting opportunities?

5. Drugs mess with your life

What may seem cool in the beginging can turn into a living nightmare that includes accidents, hospitalisation, a life of crime , a criminal record, hurting those you love, destroyed relationships, a prison sentence and death. How cool do you think drugs are now?

Drugs are for losers

[This message has been edited by Steelgate (edited 14-10-2001).]

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  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,182 Skive's The Limit
    Grow up! I'm not going to argue cos there's been too many theads aiming to cause an argument over this. This forum is for advice to people who use drugs. What you say wont stop people using them but some of us are here to help advise people who do do drugs without telling them their losers!

    Your last statement was blatently aiming to cause trouble. Why bother?

    Hopefully threads like this will be closed by the moderators in the future cos I'm sure people that regulary get advice from this forum are fed up with the abuse they get from people like you.




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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    1. Drugs mess with your mind

    I smoke cannabis, it helps my depression. It helps my mind, maybe it messes with the chemicals in my brain, but it helps me feel better, so that can't be a bad thing.

    2. Drugs mess with your body

    Hmmm, to O.D. on cannabis, you'd have to smoke something like your own body weight. Ok, a lot of drugs do mess with your body, but you can't just go around preaching about how they effect your body.
    Everything you do, from eating the crap in fast food, to wearing high heels, to going to night clubs somehow damages your body.

    3. Drugs mess with your wallet

    Yet again you say "drugs", how's about saying a few examples, or are you just trying to start a fight?

    4. Drugs mess with your travel plans

    Some people will never have the opportunity to goto America, others take drugs for medicinal purposes and won't get caught because it's illegal to search you.

    5. Drugs mess with your life

    Really, my life is a mess anyway.

    Drugs are for losers

    So is trying to start a fight.


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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Everyone is agreed drugs have negative effects and drug use must be aproached sensibly etc...

    But most of what you said was highly generalised and inaccurate. All drugs are different and different precautions have to be taken into accound with each one.

    Also most Illigal drugs make people far less inclined to act violently.

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Drugs also fund organised crime and terrorism! Think about it. And by smoking Cannabis you risk lung cancer. I think my argument is right though I didn't come hear to start a fight just to try to change peoples minds about drug taking. Remember no one ever intends to become a drug addict when they first take drugs but thousands of people end up as addicts and thousands of people die through drug use every year. Drugs have also taken our best musicans from Elvis Presley to Sid Vicous and have nearly destroyed the lives and careers of people like Boy George and Robbie Williams. So I think that my final statement is correct drugs really are for losers!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So in that case you're against people using alcohol or caffeine as well? They're both drugs, and just as dangerous if not more dangerous than a lot of illegal drugs, just considered completely acceptable because you see people drinking coffee and wine every day.

    If you can honestly tell me you have never once had a cup of coffee or any form of alcohol then I'll take you seriously. Otherwise you're just another uninformed individual who wants to attack all users of illegal substances, in my opinion.

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I hardly ever drink alcohol and I never smoke. That message was about all drugs legal or not. Ilegal drugs are ilegal though because they are extremely dangerous. Heroin, cocaine, etc are far more dangerous than tea or coffee. Saying that drug taking is OK is totally stupid, drugs wreck lives.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru

    Two words;-

    Bob Marley.



    Only users lose drugs
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Steelgate....u are typical of the closed minded individuals that the media has helped to create of drugs in society today. The fact that u seem to know very little, or nothing about the drugs themselves people take just shows what an unbalanced argument u have here.

    I personally consider alchohol on a par with taking soft/hard drugs, I'd rather be in a club that was loved up on e than the attitude ridden drinking clubs that most ppl go to.

    Drugs are a choice, respect that and don't label the "users" as losers because it is simply not true.

    tom
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As I've said before - you just can't use the old "but drink and smoking are just as bad" argument to justify drug use! It's like a double negative - just doesn't make sense to say that because one thing is bad then you may as well take the other. If you are going to argue for drug use then you should be more sophisticated in your methods of doing so!
    Incidentally - all this 'I'm depressed and so I take drugs' crap is pathetic too. Particularly if you are taking one medically prescribed drug, then using a banned drug as well - you are most probably stopping the first drug from working! Give up the medically prescribed drug and see how you go then!
    I smoke Dope and it's purely because I like the high, however I know it does my lungs, memory and ability to wake up in the morning no good at all and I also know that if I give up I feel loads better.
    Really the only way anyone is going to get complete control over their mind and body is to stop filling it with crap - be it food, drink or drugs.

    But...look at Leonard Cohen - he spends a week with the monks, meditating, then as soon as he gets home - lights up a marlborough. Crazy!
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,182 Skive's The Limit
    Popping a pills most probably safer than going for a drive. Most illegal drugs are not infact dangerous when used in moderation, same as alcohol... but just like alcohol if you do too much you can do stupid things or you can die from going over the top.

    And can you explainto me, why are we losers?



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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i think you have to distinguish between drug use and drug abuse. there are millions of people in this country who use drugs recreationally every weekend and never have a problem. they enjoy using them, it helps them relax, but it never affects the rest of their life when they aren't high/drunk/whatever.

    obviously drugs do have to potential for abuse, but lets face it, is there anything in life that doesn't? im sure you would not suggest that, just because a small minority of people become rapists, sex for recreational purposes should be outlawed.

    drugs can ruin lives, but i would argue that this is down to the individual. millions of people use drugs without ever having a problem but the people who do not use drugs sensibly are the ones that end up with a problem. to persecute the millions of sensible recreational drug users because of the actions of a small minority would be to miss the point somewhat.

    when we examine other examples for example rapists, its always the rapist that gets the blame, not the act itself. im not suggesting that drug abusers are bad people or are to blame for becoming drug addicts but i think that rather than concentrating on the act of taking drugs itself we should concentrate on why a small minority of people abuse these substances.

    to say that "drugs are for losers" is like saying that "everyone who has sex is a rapist". this is a very extreme example and i dont mean it to be taken literally im simply trying to draw your attention to the fact that to suggest that all drug users are bad people or "losers" is a very narrow minded statement that conveniently brushes over the millions of people who use drugs recreationally without ever having a problem.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I hardly ever drink alcohol and I never smoke. That message was about all drugs legal or not.

    Firstly, nobody asked you about tobacco products so I don't understand why you're talking about whether you smoke or not.

    If you say that you're talking about all drugs, legal or not, alcohol is a drug and you admit that you drink, even if occasionally, which means that you do take drugs (albeit legal ones), thus classifying yourself as a "loser".
    Heroin, cocaine, etc are far more dangerous than tea or coffee.

    And yet you say that people who do any drugs are losers! You're not making any distinctions one minute, saying that all drugs are evil and everyone who takes them is a loser, then you say that heroin and cocaine are more dangerous than tea or coffee. Just as alcohol is more dangerous than cannabis, and yet you admit you drink.

    Just get your facts straight before you go attacking people.

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Does no-one understand - You can't use 'Legal' drug use (Tea Coffee, Alcohol) to justify 'Illegal' drug use. You just can't it's a crap argument.
    Someone come up with a good reason for using Illegal drugs without mentioning 'legal' Drugs like alcohol and fags - then you'll make more sense.
    You can't be taken seriously if you cannot argue the case for drugs without citing Alcohol.!!

    All this 'yes but booze is bad for you too stuff' So what - what's your point. Tell me why drugs are good, tell me the positive effects, without comparing them to other stuff!
    grrrrrr
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ok, I think that there is nothing seriously wrong with E. I think that, since I started taking it, I have become a lot more easy going, I find it easier to socialise with people, I enjoy my life in general more (when on it AND when not), I have become a lot closer to my friends, I have opened up my mind, seen things in a different way. It has educated me, shown me that there is more to the world than I previously thought.

    I can pretty safely say that a group of people who take E are going to cause a lot less harm to others, commit a lot less crime (other than actually taking the drug), and are, in general, a nicer group of people. They have less inhibitions about themselves, they aren't help back by all the artificial barriers that make so many people feel that they have to put on some sort of act, and can't really be themselves, can't fully open up to their friends.

    To me, all this means that there is nothing seriously wrong with it.... it causes no harm to others, and it generally allows the people to take it to have more fun.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    byny

    I am not trying to use alcohol and caffeine (once again, I'm not even going onto the topic of tobacco products) as a means of justifying drug use. What I am doing is trying to illustrate that the word "drugs" incorporates all chemicals that one takes without making any sort of distinction. And I think it's fair to say that there is a difference in the effects of various drugs. So, by Steelgate saying that all drugs are bad and that all people who take drugs are losers, he is making too big a generalisation.

    I would have the same opinion if a feminist were to say, "All men are bastards". This implies that every man, no matter his background, his personality or anything is a bastard. And though that's an easy thing to think at some time (excuse me, have just been hurt by one of the men in the minority who is a complete jerk, please don't attack me for this as well), it is not the case that every single man on the face of the Earth is evil.



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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not attacking you!
    I realise that he is generalising, and shouldn't but perhaps he should have said 'Narcotics' or something else, other than just using the word 'Drugs'

    I get your point.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Here, here Mindless all the way!!



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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I was reading an article yesterday (wish I could remeber who it was by/about) anyway the gist of it was about this man who was given LSD in the 60's as an experiment (not to do with Timothy Leary or the Merry Pranksters) and he suffered really badly as a result. Anyway - he said somewhere in the article that drugs don't feed creativity.
    Drugs may be a way to a kind of liberation, but only for non-creative people.
    For the real creative people I think drugs are a complete fuck up. It saps their creativity, like Lithium does with Manic depressives.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Good post J, I agree with everything u said.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Reasons not to do drugs?

    Tim Buckley died aged 28 Heroin Overdose

    Janis Joplin died aged 27 Heroin overdose

    Jim Morrison died age 27 heroin overdose

    Kristen Pfaff (hole) died age 27 Heroin Overdose

    Johnny Thunders (NY Dolls) died age 38 heroin Overdose

    Sid Vicious died age 21 Heroin Overdose

    Tim Hardin died age 38 Heroin overdose

    GG Allin died age 36 Heroin Overdose
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by byny:
    Reasons not to do drugs?

    Tim Buckley died aged 28 Heroin Overdose

    Janis Joplin died aged 27 Heroin overdose

    Jim Morrison died age 27 heroin overdose

    Kristen Pfaff (hole) died age 27 Heroin Overdose

    Johnny Thunders (NY Dolls) died age 38 heroin Overdose

    Sid Vicious died age 21 Heroin Overdose

    Tim Hardin died age 38 Heroin overdose

    GG Allin died age 36 Heroin Overdose

    Sounds more like a reason not to do heroin to me....

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There is a lot of debate about 'gateway drugs' and things like that, where you start off with a few joints, try an E (or two), have a line of coke while you're pilling etc etc...

    I'm not sure if I agree with this argument; in particular it takes a certain kind of hopelessness to not care about the consequences of getting really involved with things like heroin.

    Having said that, personal experience and logic have both shown me that it is very easy to move from one drug to another.

    Logically, when you say that a drug is physically addictive (eg. nicotine, coke, heroin) this means that, whether you like it or not, if your body is given a taste of one of these drugs it is quite likely that it will want it again and again. So it is very difficult to stop doing coke once you have tried it, even once or twice (you can read other posts from people who say this).

    BUT I think that a drug that is *psychologically* addictive like ecstasy is where things get dangerous. If, like me and a lot of my friends, you have done E a few times and you have had an amazing time and suffered very few ill effects, it is very easy for you to think that actually there isn't anything wrong with trying a bit of coke or speed("they go well together and the E has been great so why not try it?"). I think that that mindset is part of the psychological addiction-I found that I sort of fell in love with the whole idea of drugs after I first took an E-and I think that it happens very very easily.

    So with the psychological AND the physical working together I would say that if you are not very careful it is very possible that drugs will at best grow to rule your life and at worst actually kill you.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree with a lot you said there.... before I tried E I was kinda in the mind that 'hard drugs must all be bad' but after trying E, and enjoying the experiance, it gave me a different outlook. I realised that it wasn't as bad as the media and alike say....

    From E I quite quickly moved on to trying various other things such as speed, acid and ketamine. These are drugs I wouldn't have done if I hadn't tried E first. (I don't think that the fact that I smoked draw made any difference to my decision to try E tho)

    However, I won't let myself get into coke (tried it once) or crack and definatly not heroin..... the drugs I do do are ones that I think I could quit if neccersary, and I don't won't to get onto anything I couldn't qut fairly easily.

    To summerise... I think that E is quite likely to lead onto other drugs like speed, and maybe coke (but not in all cases) but I also think that in the same way that cannabis is not a gateway to harder drugs, these 'middle' drugs (e, speed ect) are not a gateway to heroin.

    Willpower is going to have a large say in what a person tries.... at some point they are going to get offered a harder drug than they do (unless they do the hardest around) and its just a case of whether of not they can say no.... if they've had the middle step I guess it is going to be harder to say no.

    *Hope that makes sense.... I half changed my mind half way through <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">*
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Which drugs r u tlkin bout exactly Steelgate? Thers loadsa types of drugs and sum r good. Whaddya think aspirin is 4 Gods sake?! Or tea, or coffee, or even those lil soother things 4 wen u got a sore throat? While I dont agree wiv E or Heroin or Cocaine or ne hard drugs, u gotta b more specific wen ure havin a go bout sumthin. U canrt say all drugs r bad, I mean imagine ure in hospital and the only thing that could save u was a drug, not a hard drug, a medicine drug, would u still b havin a go bout all drugs then. Next time ure gonna hav a go, b more specific pls. Bobbi. XXXX
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    hey I think that people have their own opinions but at the same time there is a point when expressing your opinions turns to preaching, and then people get tired of it. you arent gonna change peoples opinions with words, at the very most you provide them with info to make their choices and if that has no effect then you leave well alone, I disagree with harder drugs, I dont smoke tobacco on its own, I dont drink coffee. I smoke pot, so sue me, my friends dont all like it but I just say dont do it then. Its not a case of telling people its worng, its a case of if you think its wrong fair enough, people are gonna differ with your opinions, there is not one opinion in the world where people are all agreed now is there
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by byny:
    Reasons not to do drugs?

    Tim Buckley died aged 28 Heroin Overdose

    Janis Joplin died aged 27 Heroin overdose

    Jim Morrison died age 27 heroin overdose

    Kristen Pfaff (hole) died age 27 Heroin Overdose

    Johnny Thunders (NY Dolls) died age 38 heroin Overdose

    Sid Vicious died age 21 Heroin Overdose

    Tim Hardin died age 38 Heroin overdose

    GG Allin died age 36 Heroin Overdose

    Yep, plenty of people have died as a result of drink driving...high cholesterol from a poor diet...skin cancer from sun bathing...drowning on costal areas...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Steelgate i do drugs and I m not a loser... i think u r the first person saying something like that for me although not directly. Patronising people is very bad, don't u thing. I have my problems but i never thought taking drugs because of that, that is a silly excuse, if u r caught... god samaritans r every were... I suppose we should start a new crusade to stop people from eating fat, cause it is bad for ur health...
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