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Yes a women is the gender which give birth to babies it however does not mean that the mother has the natural role of caring for the children.
There are plenty of examples in nature where offspring are left to fend for themselves.
In our society the woman is seen as the primary carer, it does not mean that all societies have this same view.
Marriage is a social construct designed to make sure that a persons wealth is passed on to his desicdents, it is not something natural it is something created by people.
Isn't marriage more than just about passing on your money? - anyone can do that by writing a will! Its about sharing your life with someone you love and if you want to and are able to you can bring children into the world for which you will both care for.
You've totally missed the point by a million billion zillion miles.
Your thinking and analysis is too simplistic. I'm not on about the biological fact of childbirth. I'm on about the meanings attached to that in our society. How children are looked after, in what way, how is it paid for, what are the social and economic relations, what power structures exist, why they exist, who creates the meanings etc.
Quelle surprise. :rolleyes:
*gives up*
My thinking is obviously too subtle and complex for you. You're arguing like a 10 year old.
human babies don't survive if left alone.
this is one creature thats needs years and years of support ...total support in the first few YEARS.
the feeding and bathing would bond the mother to the child to a far greater degree than the father ...plus the nine months sustaining this child in the womb ...meaning that of course the mother is the 'natural' carer for her offspring.
Lets just assume for a moment that you are correct. The media and government etc are brainwashing women into behaving like men. It then surely follows from this that gender roles are social constructs. If women can be brainwashed into taking on men's roles, these roles must be fluid and flexible, no? The media isn't brainwashing women into having sex changes is it? It's not changing people's sex at a genetic level is it? So therefore these roles must have another level where their meaning is constructed, yes? And this is what I mean when I talk about gender roles being social constructs. Of course men are men and women and women. But that doesn't mean anything. It just tells us that A = A and B = B. Which is no help at all.
What is the social meaning of what a women's and what a man's role is? How is it constructed? Why were women denied individual rights for years? Why do you think that women are being brainwashed into taking on men's roles? If you can't even say what these roles are and how they are constructed then you don't really have an argument do you?
lmfao
whoaaaaa be careful there matey. We aint in the 60's now and men these days do take an equal part in caring for their children. It takes two people to make babies, so I think two people should take that responsibility in looking after the child.
Btw left a post for ya on the feminism thread.
Leach and Laing both did some interesting work on the nuclear family (will find it if I can if anyone wants to know) and the downside to it. For example how social networks can be cut off, how everything can slowly build up inside the family like air pressure in a pipe...
I personally think it's good that women are going out to work, it's good for the country's morale in my opinion that men and women can work alongside each other and form a rapport and thus understand each other better...
What's better? Segregation or merging together and understanding each other?
so if you think everything is going fine and dandy then what would you say is the cause of high divorce rates, which has also coincidentally risen in the last 50 years?.........men and women are clearly not understanding each other better, if you can't see that you really are deluded....
and blagsta, i know where you're coming from because i used to think along simliar lines so to say your thinking is above me is pretty pretentious......i'm just trying to show this in a different light, i think differently so what wouldn't it be boring if we all had the same views?
and im not opposed to women being treated equally in some respects, but we are only alike in so many ways and in a way this all comes down to political correctness, something else the communists invented........
If you think that high divorce rates can be attributed to women in work You are the one who is deluded. You could pin ANYTHING on that. The fall in christian faith over the last 50 years, the rise in ethnic populations in the last 50 years, the change in emphasis in education and politicis in the last 50 years.
Atomisation of society, alienation, materialism etc.
I don't think you do know where I'm coming from, otherwise you wouldn't be asking such damn fool questions and posting such a load of confused nonsense.
What the fuck has "political correctness" got to do with communism? Do you actually know anything about anything? Or do you just string random phrases together for a laugh?
As you would say blagsta, i haven't got time to explain myself to idiots, go look it up.
You're a fucking knob.
What do you mean by "natural"? The whole point I'm trying to make here is that you cannot divorce anything from the social context. The term "natural" implies some kind of purity, some kind of original state, devoid of any influence from society, culture, politics etc. It's a meaningless term in this context.