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id cards are that pointless that
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charles clarke has labelled opponents as wooly liberals
yet somehow baroness thatcher think theyre stupid, and is she a wooly liberal
yet somehow baroness thatcher think theyre stupid, and is she a wooly liberal
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Topic whore?
cause specific parts of the debate tend to be taken off target, can i ask someone who backs them
"Will I, as an ordinary citizen, have the right to demand production of another citizen's ID card? If not, why not? If we are no longer trusted to tell the truth to figures of authority about who we are without physical proof, why should we trust each other?"
im against it cause
it errodes civil liberties
it will be able to fake them no matter what the government says so wont reduce terroism
it will remove the presumption im innocent until proven guilty, if ive commited no crime than other to not have one, why should i have topay up or go to prison?
i cant name a single country that has had them where they dont have the problem we already have with fraud
its a waste of money
and what if, well its more what would happen when[] someone decides to hack the network and alter everyones info or delete it
ps im not a post whore i just am verging on violently opposing them, since if its there to stop apparant terroism, we're creating a scoiety which these fanatic want
One of the details which most astounded observers, when the Identity Cards Bill 2005 was published, was that the level of oversight — much criticised in the Draft Bill — was weakened even further in the actual Bill introduced to Parliament.
The Bill establishes, in clause 24, a National Identity Scheme Commissioner, who will report not to Parliament but to the Home Secretary. Whilst the Home Secretary must lay copies of the Commissioner’s annual reports before Parliament, he has ensured that clause 25(4) provides him with broad powers to edit these reports beforehand.
To tackle illegal working and immigration abuse;
To disrupt the use of false and multiple identities by organised criminals and those involved in terrorist activity;
To help protect people from identity fraud and theft
To improve public confidence and strengthen our security
To ensure free public services are only used by those entitled to them;
To enable easier and more convenient access to public services.
all will happen still, since orgnaised crime always finds a way to fake info
Let us not forget that Charles Clarke was a Marxist in the 1970s.
Would you literally 'violently' oppose them?
I don't object to having an ID card at all, but I object to paying for one. If they want me to have one they should jolly well give it to me.
apparently not, why do you?
Have just written to my local MP asking if he supports his party's line. He a true blue Tory and I can't see how he can, given many of the other things he has said in the past...
Planning my own littering campaign against him if he does...
if it ever came down to it being compulsory or a fine/prison sentence, i would... seriously
i thought this country was a social democracy, seems we aint anymore