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Campaign for Young People

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
I was flicking through Young People's Magazine at work and I discovered a campaign for young people. I'm not sure if anyone else has heard of this but basically they want the media to quit using negative images/words about young people thus challenging the public's perception of young people.

Reading the local newspaper (which I know isn't exactly a decent newspaper) The majority of the stories involving teens used words like 'Yobs, Hooligans, Scum, Evil'.

Once I was casually walking home with a group of girl-friends. We weren't being loud or obnoxious just chatting and an old lady crossed the road to avoid us. Now to me this is sad. As far as I'm aware I don't dress in a threatening sort of way.

My point is, do you think we are to blame? Or do you think the media are just abusing their power by blaming us?

Rach x

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    We are the only ones to blame without getting an effect back, as we aren't established as such.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So you dont think the media play a strong part in this?

    Rach x
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think anyone who holds an opinion that has been forged by the media is a complete moron. Yes, the media influences us all to some extent ('Oooh, I like what she has on, I think I might get one' for example) but if you think all young people are yobs or hooligans because the press tell you to, then you're not someone whose opinions will be changed even if the media were banned from using such negative stereotypes.

    The thing is, the people the press are referring to when they call people yobs and hooligans probably are yobs and hooligans. I agree that it is sad the old lady crossed the road, but perhaps she'd had a bad experience before, or maybe she was going to cross anyway, or you were taking up a lot of the path and she thought it easier to cross than to have to slow down or move to one side? There are a number of possibilities, and if it just so happens she crossed the road because she imagined you were going to cause trouble then that is her problem, not yours. She is the one with the attitude problem.

    Personally I find large groups of youths intimidating and I'm 21!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree with you to an extent.

    I don't think people who believe everything in the media is stupid, just ignorent. Its understandable. Most people who believe 'all young people are out to get me' type opinions have probably never even had contact with a young person. Its not like they're a youth worker is it?

    The old lady is just one example. I suppose she could have just been crossing the road. It was a while ago and maybe I misread her facial expressions or something. But there are plenty more examples, such as being followed round a shop by a security guard. Tons of young people I have spoken to have had this happen.

    Rach x
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Rachael
    But there are plenty more examples, such as being followed round a shop by a security guard. Tons of young people I have spoken to have had this happen.

    They follow lots of people around, young and old, they aren't picky. The thing is young people are more likely to feel victimised by it.
    Originally posted by Rachael
    Most people who believe 'all young people are out to get me' type opinions have probably never even had contact with a young person. Its not like they're a youth worker is it?

    I'm sure they were all young once though. Old people tend to forget that. I'm pretty sure most elderly people have had their own kids, or even have grandchildren. I've never had much contact with people x or people y, doesn't mean I'd show prejudice towards them.

    So anyway, yes, perhaps the media does use negative stereotypes, but that is their right. It is up to people what they believe and like I said, if they're influenced by the kind of media that is going to portray all young people in that light then thats pretty sad.

    Perhaps if some young people stopped acting like idiots when they're out and about then they wouldn't perpetuate the beliefs held by some people.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Rachael
    So you dont think the media play a strong part in this?

    Rach x

    That is what I mean.
    The media, and the rest of society, has a scapegoat in young people as we are not established enough (naturally) to hit back.
    What they tend to forget is that most people would agree that we're a result of the raising we got.

    Now, I am not saying that we have no responsibility, yet pointing that we didn't start acting like we do out of nowhere.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I do agree that we get given a bad name through our peers actions. But I still think the media could lighten up a litle instead of making us all look like spawns of satan.

    Maybe reading/watching all this negative coverage on young people decreases their self-worth. And they feel that they have to live up to the media's perception as there is nothing else to do.

    Once you hit 16 and don't continue in full-time education you are seen as a write-off. But thats my personal opinion.

    Rach x
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Rachael
    But I still think the media could lighten up a litle instead of making us all look like spawns of satan.

    There are certain sections of the media that will make anyone look like satan to sell more papers... refugees, ethnic minorities, gay people, teenagers, old people, rich people, poor people, northeners, southerners... depending on which paper you read or which show you watch there is always someone depicted as the evil section of society. It is human nature to look for and pick on the underdog.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I guess. But do you think we should all just put up with it?

    Rach x
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Rachael
    I guess. But do you think we should all just put up with it?

    Rach x

    Well the press are free to print pretty much anything they like. I don't care what some bigotted person thinks of me if they're baseing their opinion of me on what they've read about people my age. To me they're as rude and ignorant as they believe me to be, or something...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I know but racism is seen as unacceptable throughout the media (although a lot of it still goes on ofc)..shouldn't ageism be seen as unacceptable too? Because at the moment I dont think it is.

    Rach x
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Rachael
    I know but racism is seen as unacceptable throughout the media (although a lot of it still goes on ofc)..shouldn't ageism be seen as unacceptable too? Because at the moment I dont think it is.

    I'm not sure. Unless someone actively discriminates against you because you're young then they aren't really being ageist. I don't think there are that many people who honestly believe that all young people are yobs and hooligans. Most know better than that and the few that don't are probably non discrimitory in their bigotted beliefs anyway (i.e. they probably hate most people regardless and will look for any reason to behave the way they do.)

    I've been know to call old people moaners and whingers, because a lot of them are, but I know that at heart they're probably nice enough people - its just a stereotype and I suppose most people do it.

    I really don't think young people can claim they suffer terribly from ageism when older people are generally the ones passed over for jobs because they're seen as 'too old'. It works both ways really.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No escaping it then. I still think the press (local especially) need to run a lot more positive stories about young people.

    Rach x
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Rachael
    No escaping it then. I still think the press (local especially) need to run a lot more positive stories about young people.

    Rach x

    Ah, now this I agree with. A balance to the negativity would be most welcome.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Once you hit 16 and don't continue in full-time education you are seen as a write-off. But thats my personal opinion.

    Rach x [/B][/QUOTE]

    :eek: :eek2:

    Leave school at 16, get paid to do an apprenticeship, once you're a qualified plumber/joiner etc etc then you're looking at moving straight onto big money.

    Hardly a write-off.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru


    :eek: :eek2:

    Leave school at 16, get paid to do an apprenticeship, once you're a qualified plumber/joiner etc etc then you're looking at moving straight onto big money.

    Hardly a write-off.

    Yeah, but that isn't something many people do. There are very few people doing apprenticeships.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BumbleBee
    I think anyone who holds an opinion that has been forged by the media is a complete moron.

    So that's just about everyone then.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    So that's just about everyone then.

    I don't agree with that at all.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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