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tories manifesto will include cutting mp numbers

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1401695,00.html


quite a scary preposition, all to save money, as a whole 100 mps dont cost that much money for the purpose they serve

the contempt of parties in power to remove democracy is really annoying me now

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If it's simply down to 'saving money' then it is a despicable measure.

    Same old Tories, same all cutting of essential services and institutions to finance their fucking tax cuts for the middle classes... same old bullshit.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not sure I entirely agree with Aladdin. Look at the facts. Scotland now has its own parliament. Wales has its own assembly. The European Union has seized most of the powers Britain used to have. Do we really need 659 MPs still?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stargalaxy
    I'm not sure I entirely agree with Aladdin. Look at the facts. Scotland now has its own parliament. Wales has its own assembly. The European Union has seized most of the powers Britain used to have. Do we really need 659 MPs still?

    yes we only need blair brown and blunkett to make decisions for us :rolleyes:

    such a thing as democracy


    i think the tories say it will speed up policy desicions which is equivilent to "we'll put through pointless and repressive measures quickly, with less scrutiny"
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stargalaxy
    I'm not sure I entirely agree with Aladdin. Look at the facts. Scotland now has its own parliament. Wales has its own assembly. The European Union has seized most of the powers Britain used to have. Do we really need 659 MPs still?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stargalaxy
    I'm not sure I entirely agree with Aladdin. Look at the facts. Scotland now has its own parliament. Wales has its own assembly. The European Union has seized most of the powers Britain used to have. Do we really need 659 MPs still?

    yes itll speed up decsion making and overcome the flaw of scrutiny that democracy has, aka dictatorship
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stargalaxy
    I'm not sure I entirely agree with Aladdin. Look at the facts. Scotland now has its own parliament. Wales has its own assembly. The European Union has seized most of the powers Britain used to have. Do we really need 659 MPs still?
    There might be a good argument about whether the English parliament would work at its best with the current number of MPs, or a lower one.

    But the article appears to suggest that the Tories don't have the best interests of parliament in mind. Their main reason for wanting to cut numbers appears to be "to save money".

    The wrong reasons completely, IMO.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    The wrong reasons completely, IMO.
    That I'll agree with. It's all very well and good saying they'll make savings, but to the detriment of our democratic process? (or what still exists of it)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stargalaxy
    The European Union has seized most of the powers Britain used to have.

    :confused:

    Most?

    What important powers does the EU have over British Parliament?

    I can't think of any..........
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg
    What important powers does the EU have over British Parliament?I can't think of any...
    What about the power to control our own borders? That was signed away only last month.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So we can't stop goods or people coming in anymore?

    That is quite shocking, I thought I would have heard more about it?

    So they don't stop illegal immigrants or smugglers anymore, strange..................
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
    yes we only need blair brown and blunkett to make decisions for us :rolleyes:

    such a thing as democracy


    i think the tories say it will speed up policy desicions which is equivilent to "we'll put through pointless and repressive measures quickly, with less scrutiny"

    Last time i checked it was labour who liked putting through all the pointless and repressive measures.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Seems pointless to me, and it will just increase the MP's workload.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    Good idea... they are all useless anyway!
    Let's just leave Tony in charge of everything and give him absolute and unchallenged power then.

    Hold on... that's more or less the case already. :(
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by minimi38
    Last time i checked it was labour who liked putting through all the pointless and repressive measures.

    ah but i feel rather disappointed in all parties who are all going for the "lets remove all your rights to preserve your freedoms" attitude :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Please explain why cutting the number of MPs is going to take away rights and personal freedoms.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    Let's just leave Tony in charge of everything and give him absolute and unchallenged power then.
    Hasn't that already happened?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you are gonna cut numbers like that and have huge constituencies, you might as jsut well go for the whole hog and implement PR and have massive uber-constituencies.

    I am against the motion. Just like i am against any undermining of parliaments authority, be it to devolution, the EU, or anything else.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by minimi38
    Please explain why cutting the number of MPs is going to take away rights and personal freedoms.

    you need to convince less mps to vote for a measure thus removing backbenchers problems

    the mps cover a larger constituencies and thus are less likely to represent peoples views

    its a bad move no matter what, at the moment the average mp covers 70,000 people and compared to other countries like america they get far less expences perks, despite what the newspapers say
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    story finally broken on bbc

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4125407.stm

    it isnt smaller government though, its smaller democracy

    cutting specialist advisors, is a bit of a double edged sword though since im sure theyll be more spin ones and les actual information ones
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    isnt it a bit stupid for michael howard to propose this cause i saw in the paper this morning that most of the MP's that are likely to be cut are going to be tory backbenchers?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by MrG
    isnt it a bit stupid for michael howard to propose this cause i saw in the paper this morning that most of the MP's that are likely to be cut are going to be tory backbenchers?

    all it does is remove power from parliament since most of the amalgamted constituencies will probably be the moderately safe seats since theyre the ones who can get away with more criticism
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