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how much more effort should we put into replacing our dependence on oil?
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90% of it is used a fuel, for cars, and for fuels to make electricity
only 10% AT MOST is used to make plastics and chemicals
i say we need to improve efficiency like doing little things like only using energy saving lights etc and making traditional bulbs illegal
reduce our use of it - use smallr engined cars where possible, even if that means making road tax really expensive for regular people with cars that arent efficient, or removing road tax, and only raising the money from petrol duty thus linking it directly to fuel usage
encouraging people to commute less, and business to be closer to people since its making kids lazy too as they get driven to school instead of walking
putting far more money into research for other technolgies, its the only way of getting fuel cells + fusion etc at a closer date, instead of people saying "oh but theyre not here for a while" - well do something about that
forcing other countries to do the same, firstly encouraging europe, then convincing european allies, then the other countries, then america will have to give in
otherwise oils gonna become rather expensive, and by the namerica and PNAC will have puppet governments in all oil rich countries and securing it for themselves, and holding everyone else to ransom, id rather make them the outcast
discuss
90% of it is used a fuel, for cars, and for fuels to make electricity
only 10% AT MOST is used to make plastics and chemicals
i say we need to improve efficiency like doing little things like only using energy saving lights etc and making traditional bulbs illegal
reduce our use of it - use smallr engined cars where possible, even if that means making road tax really expensive for regular people with cars that arent efficient, or removing road tax, and only raising the money from petrol duty thus linking it directly to fuel usage
encouraging people to commute less, and business to be closer to people since its making kids lazy too as they get driven to school instead of walking
putting far more money into research for other technolgies, its the only way of getting fuel cells + fusion etc at a closer date, instead of people saying "oh but theyre not here for a while" - well do something about that
forcing other countries to do the same, firstly encouraging europe, then convincing european allies, then the other countries, then america will have to give in
otherwise oils gonna become rather expensive, and by the namerica and PNAC will have puppet governments in all oil rich countries and securing it for themselves, and holding everyone else to ransom, id rather make them the outcast
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I'd like to see more of a move towards short rotation copice as a carbon neutral form of generating power.
That and coal can be used now relatively cleanly, we have loads of that left.
erm only clean as in the mercury, and sulphur dioxide et all that comes with coal is removed
its a poor substitute and burns less well than oil and gas
and well biofuel, well there isnt enough land for that, and all the fertilser etc, comes from making t which does use a lot of fuel
within six months he decided it wasn't viable so ...he now has two massive generators and supplies electricity to the national grid instead ...on his chip oil.
This has led to duel fuel and LPG cars getting way more popular.
1. If people are not forward looking enough why governments are? Aren’t they made up of people? I can say more, common people plan their future and the future of their children, companies try to plan their future profits, sometimes for decades ahead. They all have good incentives to do it, because their money are just their money and they have no extra resources to survive.
Governments in contrary spend not their money but money stolen of taxpayers, their horizon is limited by their term in office, they have much more troubles about next election than about the future of somebody‘s children. If there are really short-eyed animals they are democratically elected governments.
2. Govt intervention ALWAYS pushes economy in the wrong direction, regardless what party is in power. Look here, purchasing power of any buck is absolutely equal on free market and a penny of a billionaire can’t buy more things than a penny of a beggar. But in the presence of a government it’s not true anymore. I think everybody here understands that real-life decision making process is not an areopagus of Olympic gods but just a game of special interests. Who is a winner? One who can offer enough to interest officials. Because officials as persons and government as an organisation are not the poorest men the price is high. So there is a thing I name ‘bribe barrier’, a minimal sum must be paid to get rulers’ permission on this or that. (Of course I don’t mean bribery in its primitive criminal form, there are lots of legal ways!) Some people, groups, organisations are taller that ’bribe fence’ while others are shorter. So purchasing power of tall guys’ bucks is higher than purchasing power of short guys’ bucks!
Consequently, any decision made is not a vector sum of preferences of the whole nation but it represents preferences of SOME groups only. That is- pushing economy in a wrong direction.