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School girls should get contraceptive injection

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wouldnt this just lead to more un safe sex?

    Kids really really should be using condoms.

    The Pill is only for people in stable relationships when you know the other person.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    absolutely terrible idea. Thne contraceptive injection should be banned. Its the worst drug ever.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by rainbow brite
    Thne contraceptive injection should be banned. Its the worst drug ever.

    Sorry id disagree with that. I was on the injection and yes
    I admit at first it did mess me up a bit but I carried on with it and im glad I did.
    I didnt have periods or if I did it wasnt very much, i didnt have stomach cramps and i didnt have to worry about taking a pill every day because im terrible at rmembering to take pills. When I had a coil I was terrible with periods, I had very bad stomach cramps and heavy periods and eventually whilst having a coil fitted fell pregnant.


    Im yes and no with with giving it to teenagers cos how I see it is that they will have sex and if the jab will stop them from getting pregnant then thats a good thing surely ? Im not sure to be honest.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's a very hard one.

    I have a friend who believes "certain" young girls should have compulsary birth control to stop the rise of teen preganancies and its "effect" on society. Now I am completely against this, it's a form of eugenics to me which is completely wrong BUT

    we have to admit, some people, more often younger mothers, aren't prepared or ready for children, and this causes a cycle. They don't care for their kids well, their kids have kids, it repeats, and goes on and on.

    I don't know the answer to this, and I understand Bong that kids need to have safe sex, but they are not, and teen preganancy needs to be prevented, it sounds messed up, but a sexual disease just effects the person in question, a baby doesn't. An injection every month, is much easier to deal with, then remembering to take the pill everyday, and yes, i know it's not that hard, but believe me the amount of times i've forgotten. I think if we can stop girls getting pregnant great, preventing diseases can be the next step.

    But I don't know much about this injection, it's safety, effects etc. we need to ascertain this, before we encourage young women to use this methood
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But if you give them the injection why would they use the condoms?

    Yes it would stop some pregnancies, but disease would be even worse.

    We need to be educating kids about using condoms NOT just de facto semi-permanantly steralising them
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: School girls should get contraceptive injection
    Originally posted by girl with sharp teeth
    *boggles*

    I would never, ever have the contraceptive injection because I don't trust it. A bad reaction to it can leave your cycle messed up for months afterwards. I can se what she is saying here but advocating something like that to very young girls is not my idea of responsible ministership.

    id say castrate the older men who want to sleep with schoolgirls.. theyre the problem

    like the family planning clinic stop handing out condoms as girls werent experimenting with boys round their age, they were with boys like 5/6 years older
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    it would make a hell of a lot of teenage girls depressed and listless. That drug has major side effects for many (of course not for everyone Becky, but even you said it messed you up at first) It can lead to problems with future fertility too. Its NOT the same as the pill. It can take years to get back to normal after coming off depo.
    the drug is already available to teenagers if they want it. What more are they wanting to do? FORCE girls into having it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: School girls should get contraceptive injection
    Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo id say castrate the older men who want to sleep with schoolgirls.. theyre the problem

    what the fook are you waffling about :confused:
    I dont think thats a wide problem, most young girls have sex with boys around their own age.

    Anyone having sexual intercourse should be given contraception, even if the girl is 14/15. In an ideal world people wouldnt have sex ill they are older but thats not gonna happen so stop these young girls from pregnant.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by bongbudda
    But if you give them the injection why would they use the condoms?

    Yes it would stop some pregnancies, but disease would be even worse.

    We need to be educating kids about using condoms NOT just de facto semi-permanantly steralising them

    I know this, it's very hard to get an answer, when you are so young, you're never sensible, you are reckless that's the point.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: Re: School girls should get contraceptive injection
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    what the fook are you waffling about :confused:
    I dont think thats a wide problem, most young girls have sex with boys around their own age.

    Anyone having sexual intercourse should be given contraception, even if the girl is 14/15. In an ideal world people wouldnt have sex ill they are older but thats not gonna happen so stop these young girls from pregnant.

    if a girls experimeting give them contraception, where did i say not give them it, i just dont like seeing 20/21 year old men with school girls experiemting, which is actually a serious issue, as with a health clinic in sunderland refusing to hand out contraception to those they thought were having sex with older men

    why dont they have this problem in europe :confused: most girls experiment about 18/19 in europe
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by rainbow brite
    it would make a hell of a lot of teenage girls depressed and listless. That drug has major side effects for many (of course not for everyone Becky, but even you said it messed you up at first) It can lead to problems with future fertility too. Its NOT the same as the pill. It can take years to get back to normal after coming off depo.
    the drug is already available to teenagers if they want it. What more are they wanting to do? FORCE girls into having it?

    So let them have it if thats what they want....surely. Just because one person has bad side effects it doesent mean everyone will. As long as the pros and cons are explained fully then let them decide.

    It worked well for me as I did NOT want to get pregnant, I had no faith in the coil and I couldnt trust the pill so thats why I chose this method. Yes i was a bit older, but lets assume girls aged 16 have the injection and have the injection for approx 3 years, it would mean by the time they did get pregnant the teen birth rate would drop.......a good thing maybe ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The injection already IS available for anyone. I dont think it needs promoting, because it happens to be one with many side effects. EVEN YOU said it messed you up. My friend came off it about 6 months ago after having been on it for almost 10 years, her doctors just kept saying it was fine, yet she had every side effect going. Now shes off it trying to get pregnant but her periods havent even returned after over 6months. It looks like her fertility might have been affected.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    plus the nature of the injection means that if you do find yourself with nasty side effects youve basically got to put up with it for the next 12 weeks till the injection wears off. Its not like the pill where you can just stop taking it if it doesnt agree with you.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by rainbow brite
    EVEN YOU said it messed you up.

    Yes it did, but I gave it time to settle down and after it settled down it was fantastic. no periods, no pill taking, no bad stomach cramps it was bloody fantastic. It worked well for me, of course many people wont like the idea but thats thier choice, as long as everything is explained like any other contraception then let people decide for themselves.

    I was told it would probably take a year to conceive after having the injection. It was about that time if i remember rightly.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It sounds kind of harsh if they assume *all* girls are going to be having sex... better education surely thats all thats needed? People can't be so thick they don't know surely?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's a terrible idea. We should be more concerned about the spread of STIs/STDs pregnancy is comparably a minor side-effect of unprotected sex.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    all it does it give the guys more reasonto not use rubbers :mad:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
    all it does it give the guys more reasonto not use rubbers :mad:
    Even condoms can't protect against certain STIs like warts, herpes and lice.

    If "low self esteem" is the problem, perhaps that's where the emphasis should be. And better relationships education.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Warts, herpes and lice aren't really life threatening though.

    Condoms protect against the most serious forms, and by giving kids the injection will see them run forth, have lots of unprotected sex and we'll see a huge explosion in STI's.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere
    Warts, herpes and lice aren't really life threatening though.

    Depends. In the long-term some strains of genital warts have been linked with cervial cancer, so women who are affected generally need more frequent smear tests.
    If "low self esteem" is the problem, perhaps that's where the emphasis should be. And better relationships education

    I agree. When I taught sex ed, we had a whole programme planned on self-esteem, relationships, peer pressure etc, but the time we had to focus on that was halved because we found that their sex education that they had recieved from the teachers regarding contraception was inadequate so we had to talk to them additionally about it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kentish
    Even condoms can't protect against certain STIs like warts, herpes and lice.

    If "low self esteem" is the problem, perhaps that's where the emphasis should be. And better relationships education.

    but condoms tend to protect against most things deadly

    but on the last part, thats where we're lacking :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by go_away
    Depends. In the long-term some strains of genital warts have been linked with cervial cancer, so women who are affected generally need more frequent smear tests.
    Indeed, and to such an extent that cervical cancer may as well be included on the list of sexually transmitted diseases.
    I agree. When I taught sex ed, we had a whole programme planned on self-esteem, relationships, peer pressure etc
    I'm glad to hear that. The focus of sex education has been on contraception for too long, and it hasn't altered teenage pregnancy rates, which are among the highest in the world.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
    but condoms tend to protect against most things deadly
    Most STIs aren't "deadly", but most have long term implications for future fertlity and relationships. Herpes, warts and lice aren't serious in the grand scheme of things, but they're hardly desirable, and people don't realise that condoms don't protect against all STIs.
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: School girls should get contraceptive injection
    Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
    why dont they have this problem in europe :confused: most girls experiment about 18/19 in europe
    Good question. Maybe they have better sex ed, maybe its because they are mostly catholic over there, I just don't know. I would like to see someone do some research on this.
    Originally posted by kentish
    If "low self esteem" is the problem, perhaps that's where the emphasis should be. And better relationships education.
    I'm not sure how low self-esteem drives people to have sex. I have low self-esteem and its causing me to stay single. (Or maybe the lack of girlfreind is giving me low self-esteem.)
    Nuala Scarisbrick, said: "The last 24 hours have seen an onslaught on our children urging them to have sex.
    "First the Family Planning Association announces plans to issue a guidebook extolling the virtues of casual sex, pornography and contraception regardless of age, then Margaret Hodge, Minister for Children, declares that girls under the age of consent should be offered contraceptive injections.

    "The age of consent is there for good reason, to protect children from the kind of exploitation and sexualisation being promoted by the FPA and the Government
    I agree with this point of view.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Originally posted by Captain Slog
    Good question. Maybe they have better sex ed, maybe its because they are mostly catholic over there, I just don't know. I would like to see someone do some research on this.
    I'm not sure how low self-esteem drives people to have sex. I have low self-esteem and its causing me to stay single. (Or maybe the lack of girlfreind is giving me low self-esteem.)
    I agree with this point of view.

    theres nothing wrong with pornography seen itsince i was11 and it done me no harm, im still saving myself for a long term gf
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: Re: School girls should get contraceptive injection
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    I dont think thats a wide problem, most young girls have sex with boys around their own age.

    The thing is, they don't.

    You might have read a little while ago in The Northern Echo about how a womens' refuge in Sunderland are deeply concerned about giving condoms out to schoolgirls because they are sleeping with men five years their senior, or even more, and don't want to condone the girls doing this.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: School girls should get contraceptive injection
    Originally posted by Captain Slog
    I'm not sure how low self-esteem drives people to have sex. I have low self-esteem and its causing me to stay single.

    You're a bloke though. It's not the same.

    A girl who thinks she is ugly will be easily swayed by sweet nothings, by compliments about her beauty. She gets praised when she has sex, she gets insulted when she doesn't.

    It's easy to pontificate, but if you are shy and feeling ugly you will do anything to keep the compliments coming. Especially when you're 15, and basically hormones on legs.

    Men chat up girls, girls don't chat up men. Not much, anyway.

    Oh, and the big problem in this country is that people WON'T talk openly about sex to their children. The attitude of the "Family Values" nutcases is that sex is bad, and you shouldn't do it- this is bollocks. Sex is nice, sex feels nice, instead of preaching that saying no to this evil nasty sin is the way forward (because it isn't) perhaps if we more open about the whole thing it would be better. Sex is good, but it is even better within a solid relationship. That's the message that should be being put across, because saying "sex is bad, mmkay" isn't working.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Originally posted by Kermit
    The thing is, they don't.

    You might have read a little while ago in The Northern Echo about how a womens' refuge in Sunderland are deeply concerned about giving condoms out to schoolgirls because they are sleeping with men five years their senior, or even more, and don't want to condone the girls doing this.

    Really, sleeping with men their senior isn't the problem. It's schoolgirls having sex at all. Respect for themselves and KNOWING that they're worth more is what we need to emphasise. I don't mean to say that everyone who has underage sex has a low self-esteem, but the people who regret it say they felt pressured (because b/f would leave them, that's a respect thing) or were too young (and that is also knowing that you'll have chances later in life).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    Sex is good, but it is even better within a solid relationship.
    Very few pressure groups will acknowledge that for fear of being branded "Family Values nutcases". Contraception is not the solution, merely a sticking plaster to cover up the real problem which is meaningless sex.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kentish
    Contraception is not the solution, merely a sticking plaster to cover up the real problem which is meaningless sex.

    That much is true, definitely. The problem won't be fixed by curing the symptoms.

    Very few pressure groups will acknowledge that for fear of being branded "Family Values nutcases".

    I disagree with this though.

    The trouble is that the "family values" lot will not entertain the merest notion of sex outside of marriage, for some pathetic and unfathomable reason. A strong relationship doesn't have to be serious, it doesn't have to be about marriage, it doesn't even really need to be about deep love sometimes. The family values lot think sex outside of marriage is evil and wrong, and that's why the message gets diluted and made to look ridiculous.

    The whole concept of the relationship has been skewed by the family values nutcases. And that is a serious problem.
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