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New Bin Laden Tape

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Story What does this mean for America and the world? Will it impact the elections do you think?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hopefully it won't encourage more Bush votes, it's not like he's kept American safe from Bid Laden and Co.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by dantheman
    Hopefully it won't encourage more Bush votes, it's not like he's kept American safe from Bid Laden and Co.

    Thats what I don't want to happen, the whole Bin Laden appearing so people vote for Bush to 'protect' them. Although it could swing the other way with people not voting for Bush because Bin Laden has still not been captured.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Renzokuken
    could swing the other way with people not voting for Bush because Bin Laden has still not been captured.
    especialy since bush recently said he wasn't that interested in bin laden ...not realy bothered about him.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Stop and consider the timing of this latest "miraculously surfacing" video, just days after further conclusive revelations of not only the utter mismanagement of this admin in prosecuting its supposed "war of liberation to make the world safer", but its subsequent lie that the explosives were mssing before US troops even got to the site (oops, the embedded reporter caught the truth on tape, damn!).

    Just as with every other supposed "Bin Laden" video to date, this one appears right on time to fuel the fearmongering groupthink ethos which is keeping the sheep in lockstep with the real purveyors of terror. Those operating out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    Bin laden is just trying to influence the US elections.

    Both Kerry and Bush seem defiant to catch and kill him.

    So how will he have an influence either way?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Point is this tape like all the others is more likely and indeed more transparently just further contrived bs pulled from some archive (likely CIA) and dubbed with some plausible message making reference to not only the election but indeed subtle reference to Moore's fahrenheit film.

    Of course the non-investigatory corporate media will simply rebroadcast the tape without any scrutiny or question and leave the nebulous repercussions to play themselves out on election day.

    Sorry, but such tapes are such a snap for our technological capabilities to produce that I find them laughably obvious as simply part of the ongoing mythmaking that surrounds this entire fictitious war on terror. The real war and its objectives are spelled out all too clearly in the PNAC report and Brzezinski's book "The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and its Geostrategic Imperatives".

    This tape and the rest of the oft repeated claims are merely the easily sold and far too widely believed smokescreen.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    Did I say he influenced it...? No!

    You said he was trying to.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Inth vid Bin Laden blames Bush for a load of stuff, essentially telling US citizens to vote for Kerry.

    This can only work in Bush's favour.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    More than likely correct Mat, which underscores the transparency of the contrivance all the more. Who continues to reap the huge expenditures if Bush is reelected? The MIC and the intelligence communities, indeed!

    Neither the Pentagon nor the Intelligence community are going to let this gravy train end anytime soon, not when so many are so easily manipulated into cheering for its continuance (even as they are bled dry economically in the process).

    Never was propaganda so effective on so many minds.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If it is propaganda, its well done .......
    the events that affected me directly were that of 1982 and the events that followed - when America allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon, helped by the US sixth fleet.

    In those difficult moments many emotions came over me which are hard to describe, but which produced an overwhelming feeling to reject injustice and a strong determination to punish the unjust.

    As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me punish the unjust the same way [and] to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women.
    Your security is in your own hands and each state which does not harm our security will remain safe.

    Guardian
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Its not propaganda unless it is well done and achieves the very groupthink paradigm that we see demonstrably being applied universally as the filter through which this supposed war on terrorism is being explained to and understood by the vast majority.

    Goebbels would be having a field day witnessing the ease with which so many can be swayed to accept the lie with modern communications.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree with Clandestine ( :eek: ! ) on this.
    The tape has been found on a very convinient time, and to be honest what he says seems pretty staged and unlike the style of the former tapes found.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
    I agree with Clandestine ( :eek: ! ) on this.
    The tape has been found on a very convinient time, and to be honest what he says seems pretty staged and unlike the style of the former tapes found.

    And what do you make of the "message" ?

    :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by freethepeeps
    And what do you make of the "message" ?

    :confused:

    What do you mean? Be more specific.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
    What do you mean? Be more specific.
    As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me punish the unjust the same way [and] to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women.

    :eek2:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i too came across this article.. from a different news source.. and was going to post it here.. haha...

    two days away from voting... this gives me really mixed feelings... so now i am undecided as for whom i should vote...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    freethepeeps, as I pointed out the message itself only adds to the falsity and fabricated liklihood of this video. Bin Laden conclusively and formerly denied any involvement with the 911 attacks and frankly, I will continue to hold to the far more plausible case that no ragtag group of refugees in caves in Afghanistan could have achieved the militarily precise multiple attacks (requiring simultaneous standdowns by US air defense) demonstrated on 911.

    Once again, the questions that have to date received no credible investigation are those primary fundamental questions any criminal investigator asks at the start of his enquiries, namely "Who stood to gain the most", "who had the greatest opportunity" and "who had the means" (in the case of the latter question I would expand it to ask "who had authority, technological and strategic capabilities?"). Three years later, the evidence continues to mount over who has indeed benefitted most and who has repeatedly lied and lied again to cover for each exposed lie.

    Thus, all subsequent "miraculously" surfacing footage of Bin Laden claiming the complete opposite to that which he himself said directly to a viable journalistic witness just after 911 wreaks of MIC/Intelligence community fabrication with anonymous arabic language overlay making claims in line with the "official" paradigm.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh

    Both Kerry and Bush seem defiant to catch and kill him.
    luke i keep pointing out to you that bush when asked about bin laden recently said that he didn't think about him much ...he wasn't realy bothered about him.
    does that sound like someone who is determined to catch and kill this guy?

    before 9/11 ...the neo's were saying they needed another pearl harbour to galvanise the american public so they could go ahead with their plans for the middle east and asia regarding oil and pipelines ...doesn't that worry you?
    as soon as bush ws in the whitegouse he made statements that told the chinese and the russians and anyone else ...'if you attempt to distrup or interfere with the plans for the new american century we will not hesitate to use all means at our disposal against you' ...the papers were full of stuff about dubya threatening to nuke the chinese ...we were all ...whhhaaa! you can't go round making threats like that.
    everything this administration has done so far has been lies ...lies and more lies ...greed corruption and more lies ...
    and still people trust this sinister mob of gangsters!

    sorry luke ...but it has looked for a long time and looks more so by the day that the attack on new york was done by the americans.
    explain to me please ...how after all the lies ...you still believe oin these people.
    if it was anyone else telling all these porkies and behaving like this you'd be fucking screaming about it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Who stood to gain the most"

    Thats not how they think. YOu obviously do not understand the Islamist mindset, they dont measure things in terms of 'gaining', death means nothing to them, so do you really think they expected to get money or whatnot.
    but it has looked for a long time and looks more so by the day that the attack on new york was done by the americans.

    Its looked for a long time and looks more so by the day that this explanation is the biggest load of bollocks this side of a socialist government in Britain.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by The Matadore
    Thats not how they think. YOu obviously do not understand the Islamist mindset, they dont measure things in terms of 'gaining', death means nothing to them, so do you really think they expected to get money or whatnot.

    Erm, and you gained your specialist knowledge of the "Islamist mindset" from where exactly caller?

    :confused:

    11/10 - Ann Coulter ......
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well mat, having lived in a predominantly muslim area for well near a decade as well as being a foreign affairs professional for more than a decade I have far more basis for my assessments than i suspect you do and will continue to stand by them. Given that my calls back in 2002 on most of what has come to pass over the years have proven spot on (unlike your continued preference to buy into the claims of repeatedly exposed liars) your head in the sand views sound no different than all those who have since fallen by the wayside as time has proven them to be the dupes.

    Just keep living in denial, i enjoy being the one to say "i told you so".
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No bin laden did not say any such thing. Videotapes miraculously found at every downturn for the Bush admin supposedly made that claim without any question from the regurgitative corporate media as to authenticity, but the only direct face to face verifiable interview with Bin Laden conducted shortly after 911 denied any involvement whatsoever. I also never called Bin Laden an angel nor alluded to any such approval of the man.

    Damning him for what he has done, claimed to have done, and indeed been sufficiently proven to have done (unlike 911) does not excuse contrived claims as part of a US media-fed propaganda effort to keep the fraudulent myth of the WoT alive.

    The evidence is duly provided in my previous link but you of course wouldnt bother to read it so go back to sleep little Luke.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Then dont dogmatically state things you are incapable of understanding. If you cant understand it then maintain your integrity by not wading into debate with nothing but a dismissive attitude.

    The evidence is presented, Perhaps in time youll grow into a greater appreciation and understanding of the lies and myths you currently seem to subscribe to.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Erm, I can't find any link ........

    :o
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    mate stop being so big headed your not mr. perfect/know it all
    At least he speaks some sense Luke...unlike yourself huh?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Having a grasp on the actual agendas at work in international policy and its actual goals has nothing to do with being perfect Luke. It has to do with considerable research and effort to cut through the rhetoric and bullshit that passes for news and which you seem so ready to believe without question.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
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    This a joke, to you?
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