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Gibraltar
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- stay with Britain
- join Spain
- 'joint sovereignty' arragement
- independence
look at its geography and history, it's not exactly always been a british colony and it's not exactly as close as say northern ireland is close to the uk.
and you yap at us for not accepting other people's views, obviously a lot of people DO give a shit, otherwise there wouldn't be a debate on this topic
to be honest, i don't really care about gibralter, i'm just putting forward a contrast of opinion, it's up to you to reply to that opinion, you can do it in a suitable manner or do your usual dumb rhetoric, it is a debating forum, be prepared for contrasting opinions, please be more understandin in future and be more intelligent in your responses
and what the spanish people themselves think is totally irrelevant, yea?
thing is luke, it wasn't always british, it was a Spanish island you know
At the end of the day Argentinains only did what Britain did to Spain regarding Gibraltar...
It's equivalent to the French taking Southampton by force, fencing it over, populating it with French people, flying the French flag for all to see and telling the British "this is now French territory and its inhabitants want to remain French, so tough luck matey."
I wonder how many British would be so willing to respect the wishes of the French residents of the French enclave of Le Southampton as they are of the residents of Gibraltar.
who owns britain, certainlt not the british anyway
i saw a few programs on TV about gibralter, there's a union jack on every lampost and building, the kerbs are painted red white and blue, it's shameful and unnecessary
unfortunately yes
I think the issue is going to keep rumbling on and on and on. However I believe a compromise could and should be reached. Joint sovereignty coupled with giving Gibraltarians a full British passport would mean they would not lose their status. No one in Spain is actually suggesting that they must leave the place- nor should they have to become Spanish.
And for what is worth, I believe Spain should do just the same thing concering the Spanish enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla.
joint sovereignty wpould be merely a good will gesture on the uk's behalf, to keep them shut for a while but if you give a dog too much to chew, he'll bite off more than you bargained for.
As a Spaniard I believe most of the resentment comes down to that. Ideally I'd remove the fences and borders, and simply allow both sets of residents to roam freely without passport controls and delays.
Flying a flag would solve the tension? The channel islands are nearer France than England, but you don't hear the French whinging about joint sovereignty. Gibraltar has been British for 700 years.
and... ireland has been under some form of british rule for 800, doesn't make it british though
well the whole of ireland till 1922 i think and the north since
Northern Ireland is split as you well know between those who want to be part of Britain and those who don't. Different from Gibraltar you see.
you're right and you're wrong, the whole situation over here is alot more complex than outsiders would percieve it to be, i suposse you have to live here to understand but yea it's certainly different to gibralter.
In Gibraltar it is the opposite problem: Gibraltarians know what they want, but the British and Spanish governments are trying to impose change.
If only I was world leader...
personally i'd feel very frustrated if i was a citizen of gibralter, like you're future is in the hands of two outside powers and you don't have much control about it
it's getting really tense over here at the moment, the population is like 50/50, maybe more protestants, they're getting angrier because of more powers nationalists get, basically we (most nationalists) want a referendum on what the people want but there's a huge element that'll fight to the death for britain, scares me sometimes what people do for this belief.