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Two British men join al-Sadr’s army in Iraq to fight US troops
BillieTheBot
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1211168_1,00.html
Both men were born in Iraq though they are British in nationality apparently.
They claim to have gone to Iraq to fight a foreign invader.
For as long as they don't engage British soldiers, should they be a concern to the British government at all?
If they did end up engaging British soldiers things would complicate greatly though...
Both men were born in Iraq though they are British in nationality apparently.
They claim to have gone to Iraq to fight a foreign invader.
For as long as they don't engage British soldiers, should they be a concern to the British government at all?
If they did end up engaging British soldiers things would complicate greatly though...
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seriously, I don't know, probably the americans will get to them first...
Who is the illegal foreign invader here?
Why should those be men sent to an illegal concentration and torture camp that is in direct contravention of every legislation and law in the world?
Why should the US think it gets to decide who is a lawful or unlawful combatant? I think that if there were such a thing as unlawful combatants, US soldiers would be the prime candidates for it.
As for them losing their citizenship or being tried for treason, as long as they don't engage British troops I don't think they've done anything illegal...
i think you might have to re-phrase that, otherwise being an American soldier is illegal under uk law
In this particular case, this is just Iraqi Resistance fighting an illegal invader and occupier.
The US can't possibly justify deporting them anywhere... then again the current government of that nation seems to have lost all regard for international law and human rights...
I think fighting against the British army when you hold citizenship is illiegal and counts as treason... But don't hold me to it.
Now if Iraq was so fucking wonderful why were they in Briatin anyway?
Try them for treason, or give them to the Yanks and put them in Camp X-Ray.
So much as Tony Blair and many right wingers would like it, Britain is not a US state or province.
But even if they did something that was considered treason, they should be dealt with by the British justice system.
I can't believe you would advocate sending British citizens, however hineous you might think their crimes might be, to an illegal torture camp managed by a third party that has nothing to do with this country.
Speaking of Guantanamo, since many of the 650+ hostages there are Afghans whose only crime was to defend their government and country against a foreign invader, how can you justify the US kidnapping them and sending them there? Whatever they might be, they sure as hell ain't traitors!
but
WHY SEND THEM TO A US PRISON CAMP!?
treat em like crap here ;p
You're so open to ideas Luke, it warms the heart to read!
:banghead:
Lets not forget that if a person is convicted of high treason they can still be hanged in this country. But I think that if these people were caught activly engaging British Armed forces or for that matter British nationals, the worst is simply treason, or murder.
If they are sensible they should contact the embassy to find out on the official legal status. But lets face it, they're helping to tear that poor country apart, where does sensible come into it?
You were saying how they should be sent to Gitmo. We have asked you how could you possibly justify sending British citizens to a country thousands of miles away to be imprisoned by another nation.
Answer the question please.
Traitors
High Treason is when you kill the monarch isn't it?
Are you sure you're living in the right country mate? I think you'd have been happier in the company of Saddam or the Taliban. They agree with you with regard to what should be done to prisoners.
Hold on a second... isn't that why we went there and "liberated" them in the first place?
:rolleyes:
You don't appear to be much better than Saddam Hussein mate.
Saddam believes in torture
You believe in torture
Saddam did not show any regard for human rights
You don't show any regard for human rights
Yes Luke, I have no option but to be serious about that statement.
The last vestiges of an argument (if there ever was one) in favour of waging the illegal war on Iraq have now evaporated. The place is in a worse mess than it was under Saddam, there were no WMDs, no threat to others, and now it turns out that we the "liberators" are up the same tricks Hussein was.
I'm not surprised in the least that those two people have put aside any thoughts of "treason" against their government (i.e. the clueless poodle known as Tony Blair) and done what they feel it's right: namely fight to liberate their country of birth against a foreign and illegal invader who contrary to what it claims has no regard for human rights, freedom or the well-being of the Iraqi people.
One man's traitor, another man's brave freedom fighter.
Please learn to read. I justified nothing.
Or attempt too yes.
Well, no shit sherlock. Wasn't that what we already agreed?
Isn't that often the case?
I would be extemely interested to see what a barrister would make of the government attempting to charge a British citizen with treason for fighting American troops in another continent.
Technically they are fighting against the british government, that's treason, it's the same continent as well, so try not to get too over excited.