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Smoking a "working class pleasure"
BillieTheBot
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I have to congratulate Reid on saying what he has said, bceuase (for the first time in his life) he is actually right. I find it very frightening how the doctors' lobby have appeared to get anti-smoking legislation so high up on the agenda without any public consultation, and without any regard to what people actually want to do.
There is always an attitude with healthcare professionals that they know best, and that people who don't do as they say need to be "[punished" for their "bad behaviour". If I want to drink and if I want to smoke I should be allowed, and it is not for any other person to decree that I cannot be allowed, unless it DIRECTLY impacts upon another person's rights. I am all for segregated smoking areas in restaurants and pubs, but banning smoking in public places is ridiculous, stupid, and typical of the arrogance of doctors and this government.
I never thought I would say it, but John Reid has said something that is right. He won't be listened to, though, because Doctor Knows Best.
I have to congratulate Reid on saying what he has said, bceuase (for the first time in his life) he is actually right. I find it very frightening how the doctors' lobby have appeared to get anti-smoking legislation so high up on the agenda without any public consultation, and without any regard to what people actually want to do.
There is always an attitude with healthcare professionals that they know best, and that people who don't do as they say need to be "[punished" for their "bad behaviour". If I want to drink and if I want to smoke I should be allowed, and it is not for any other person to decree that I cannot be allowed, unless it DIRECTLY impacts upon another person's rights. I am all for segregated smoking areas in restaurants and pubs, but banning smoking in public places is ridiculous, stupid, and typical of the arrogance of doctors and this government.
I never thought I would say it, but John Reid has said something that is right. He won't be listened to, though, because Doctor Knows Best.
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Surely almost any measures that helps reduce that number is a good thing.
such as my rights when im working, not to have to stand in a cloud of cigarette smoke till it hurts my eyes, makes my throat sore, makes me stink etc. What about in a household where one person smokes but another does, or where there are children.
I think discouraging people from smoking, and making it less socially acceptable is a good thing, because other peoples rights are being infringed all the time with it, unless said smoker only ever smokes alone in the open air.
False. Why do you think people get addicted in the first place? It's not like when someone smokes their first cigarette they immediately think "I'm going to endure smoking until I get addicted so then I can get pleasure from relieving withdrawal symptoms."
But most people fall into the habit of smoking and once addicted the main pleasure is indeed stopping the with drawl.
Yeh well I think it's very, very sad to derive pleasure from another generic Westlife ballad. But everyone's different.
just a thought.
So do lots of things, like eating crap food, driving cars or going mountain climbing. Are we gonna ban them too?
As for mountain climbing, maybe they should make people who do extreme sports, contribute towards their own healthcare if they are injured doing something so very risky just for leisure.
But my point is, that we all do things that are bad for our health or are potentially risky. Where do we draw the line on banning things?
Workers who object to work in the smoking section can work in the non-smoking section instead. I sure positions on both sides of the bar would be filled without problem.
Nice that he mentioned trying no to tbe patroninsing whilst saying things about the working class that i would consider extremely patronising!
My working class Grnadmother 'enjoyed' smoking for most of her life but gave up becasue she knew it was damaging her, if the damned thing had been illegal then she probably would never have started in the first place and would live for longer and have more money.........
As for the comments regarding where we are going to draw the line smoking is clearly different because it has NO benefits whatsoever, it is only enjoyable because it is addictive, nobody enjoys smoking at firast because it is a disgustingly foul, and unnatural torment upon your body.
If the rights of those who work in pubs, resteraunts ect were takne as equal to all others then there could be no possible justification for allowing smoking in any such place......
Even if you wnated to defend the hallowed rights to kill yourself that most people seem so enamoured by, why defend the right to allow more pople to start smoking?
I propose the age at which you can buy fags be increased by one year every year, that means everyone who already smokes can smoke (but only in limited areas of course
Let me ask the defenders of smokers rights this.
If the govt finds out that some food product is in fact laced with poison that reduces your health after prolonged exposure, should the govt ban this food product, or make it well known that it is harmful and let it be sold anyway?
Was the govt right to ban beef on the bone in the BSE crisis?
Surely you know this is bollocks?
Non-smoking areas are a joke, as if for some magical reason you are not affected by the fumes if the people are two tables away! Madness!
Would you be so happy if it were coalminers, and they could 'choose' to work in the dangerous conditions?
Prohibition doesn't work.
End of.
one word - danger money - thats what happens to people who do jobs that they know will probably kill them
That is exactly the kind of post that would elicit some kind of screaming and over the top retort form you if this was an immigration thread........:rolleyes:
We should legalise heroine and crack-cocaine then?
The argument is for banning in certain places not prohibition anyhow, smoke in your own company if you have to, go outside the restaurant, it is not that hard........
yeah the £4.40 I got for working in a nightclub really reflected that I thought, as did the £4 i used to get working in a restaurant.........:rolleyes:
Pardon?
I fail to see any parallels.
Yes, I think we should actually.
I'm not talking about restaraunts. I don't have a problem with non-smoking restaraunts.