Gay sperm

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Gay sperm?

Read and comment, I'll do so tomorrow or so. I'm too tired now (too many extra hours).

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It seems little more than bigoted and ignorant homophobia to me. As the article says HIV can easily be deteced on semen so the only reason gay men would be barred is bigotry and prejudice... Given their warped thinking, perhaps they think barring gay sperm will 'minimise' the chances of people getting gay children. :rolleyes:

And these are the people who are against 'designer' babies...

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This is one of those threads where the title is really good. It leaves so much open that you have to click on it.

As for this measure, well its not that far from the blood donating rules is it. Both of which play on sterotyping which really dont mean anything.

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Bloods are routinely tested for various diseases anyway, so I don't see the benefit of preventing "Homosexual" donors automatically...

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Originally posted by Man Of Kent
Bloods are routinely tested for various diseases anyway, so I don't see the benefit of preventing "Homosexual" donors automatically...

Risk assessment, innit?

It isn't homosexuality that is banned, it is men who have had sex with men. It's the same reason why prostitutes and injected drug users are banned; there is a greater risk. If it was about homosexuality in blood then women who have had sex with a man who's had gay sex wouldn't be banned either, and nor would those who have been sexually active in Africa. And nor, for that matter, would thsoe who have received blood donations since 1982.

As I've said before about the blood thing- if you don't believe that blood services should be minimising risk, then go and talk to the parents of a five-year-old girl who died of AIDS because of contaminated blood.

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Originally posted by Aladdin
It seems little more than bigoted and ignorant homophobia to me. As the article says HIV can easily be deteced on semen so the only reason gay men would be barred is bigotry and prejudice... Given their warped thinking, perhaps they think barring gay sperm will 'minimise' the chances of people getting gay children.

Oh, but of course:

People who lived in Great Britain for more than a few weeks in the 1980s would also be barred from donating because of the risk of mad-cow disease.

That is equally irrational, but there is a RISK so the FDA are banning thsoe from donating either.

People always try and see bigotry where there is none. Risk assessment is important; like it or not, gays having sex are more at risk of contracting HIV because the anus is more likely to tear, meaning the bloodstream itself can easily become infected.

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Blood donation is a tad different from sperm donation though.

If experts tell us there is a completely safe test for HIV in sperm, then there is no reason whatseover to ban gay men from donating.

Other than bigotry and prejudice, that is.

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Originally posted by Aladdin
If experts tell us there is a completely safe test for HIV in sperm, then there is no reason whatseover to ban gay men from donating.

Yes exactly. If there are no health risks then there is absolutely no reason that gay men can't donate sperm, surely?

It strikes me that this is ironic coming from the homophobic branch of the Christian Right who don't believe homosexuality is genetic!

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Originally posted by Aladdin
Blood donation is a tad different from sperm donation though.

No, it’s the same. My body belongs to me exclusively so I have full rights to sell, to lend or to do anything I want with my blood, semen, eyes, legs so on.

Originally posted by Kermit
Oh, … but there is a RISK so the FDA are banning thsoe from donating either.

Surely. There is a risk to get into a car accident or to fall over from a chair and break your neck. So cars and chairs should be banned. It is my rosiest dream to see socialists being banned from chairs, cars, computers, knives, forks, step-ladders, and other dangerous things… from making sex especially!

Originally posted by Aladdin
It seems little more than bigoted and ignorant homophobia to me.

You are right!!!
I never believe in any kind of research that tries to prove that there are some lower/higher castes among us.

Originally posted by lukesh
thats me!

My congrats! Boy you are a man!

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PS To Lukesh.
BTW I’m FOR designed babies.
You are free to understand this as you wish…
A tip- there is no thing as “our children”...
There are your and my (future) kids, right?

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Originally posted by lukesh
In my opinion, it's doing Gods/Natures work which I'm very against. Yes design something to cure cancer but NOT to make babies, this is very morally wrong and should be banned in my opinion. I also believe that the vast majority of the Uk are aginst this too.

I agree... I'm against cloning and making designer babies. You should love what ya got and not ask for anymore. Society is so greedy these days (of course some kids are born disabled... but chosing the facial features ect).

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So-called designer babies (i.e. genetically predetermining a baby's sex, eye colour, etc) is clearly wrong in my opinion. That should be opposed. However a difference should be made between that and genuine genetic research. I see absolutely nothing wrong with embryo research for medical purposes and the potential for finding cures to countless terrible conditions from cancer to Alzheimer's is simply too good to ignore.

Sadly the pro-lifers and many Christian denominations take a different view... :rolleyes:

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silly point but no matter what, nature will explot flaws to give us an illness, before it was disease and now it is cancer...

no matter how distressing it is (i lost my grandad to cancer and heart disease) this is just a humans selfish desire to live longer instead of giving way to new generations

personally i dont want to be wearing a nappy at the age of 90, ill quite happily be topping myself before i get to that point because well we're just being selfish with things we didnt have before and wow we're still here after 300,000 years

edited to say: and back to main topic i find it really twisted and narrow minded to assume that there something wrong with a gay persons sperm, then again though an INDIVIDUAL (not the government) has the right to decide whose sperm they accepting

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Originally posted by lukesh
it's what they believe and it states that in the bible, it goes for all Muslims too, they are also homophobic.

And Jesus sayeth unto Paul: Don't worry Paul the Baptist, queernes does not passeth through the wine or milk (you knoweth what I meaneth)

Is this what you meant Lukesh? Or does it say that homosexuality is not genetic somewhere else in the Bible or the Korán?

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Originally posted by lukesh
in the Bible and many oter holy books it says that Man should not go with Man.

I suggest you read the Book of Proverbs if you think the Bible is to be taken literally.

I remember reading that I'm allowed to kill stupid people... :chin:

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Originally posted by lukesh
it's what they believe and it states that in the bible, it goes for all Muslims too, they are also homophobic.

Not all Muslims are homophobic, just as not all Christians are homophobic.

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and more importantly how does this affect everyone what it says in bible etc sure use it as a moral reference if you ait a christian, i do as its overall message is a good message, and about TOLERANCE and not JUDGING PEOPLE for things which dont actually affect anyone else

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Originally posted by Kermit
I suggest you read the Book of Proverbs if you think the Bible is to be taken literally.

I remember reading that I'm allowed to kill stupid people... :chin:

We also must kill children that curse their father, and poke out our right eye if it sinns (sp?). :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by lukesh
In my opinion, it's doing Gods/Natures work which I'm very against. Yes design something to cure cancer but NOT to make babies, this is very morally wrong and should be banned in my opinion. I also believe that the vast majority of the Uk are aginst this too.

On the Kid thing, we are all the same, and ok, your children.

I think this is a deep philosophical question, about what Life and Death is, who we really are so on… Well, I withdraw my words.
But I’m bloody sure we never should give any right to make decisions about this to politicians.

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Originally posted by lukesh
well, obviously.

So why did you write this
"it goes for all Muslims too, they are also homophobic."?