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There is never going to be such thing as a country called Europe.
No nation is going to lose power over their judiciary or military.
Continental Europeans are not an alien race of paedophiles bent on ruling the world and destroying Britain.
The amount of horror tales and scaremongering from the xenophobic tabloid press we have to put up with is truly unbelievable.
P.S. Michael Howard on the other hand is a blood sucking vampire from deepest Transilvania who needs to be given the wooden stake treatement ASAP.
*shakes head* I cannot beleive that someone would regulary read that anti-europe right wing trash! If we need more than one referendum so be it! Other countries have had to do it before. Ireland had to over the 2000 Nice treaty.
If you want a balanced argument, featuring pro european views, anti europe views and the actual parts of the constitution i suggest that you read a broad sheet paper and look in today's guardian. It has a full page about it. I will find the link on the net if there is one.
The guardian may be a left wing paper but it does not out right bend the truth in order to pump fear into the population. I beleive it is regarded as one the most intellagent newspapers.
I have not had a thorough read yet as it was interupted by my dinner. I beleive that it does give a balanced view though, of course it is using others view points.
And yes I am in favour of The European Constitution, Further European intergration and the Euro.
I do not have the time for a debate right now, I must go and finish my Politics Coursework.
How so?
Michael Howard is known in political and media circles as a 'vampire' just as many other politicians were known by different nicknames (Two Jags, Paddy Pantsdown, Iron Lady, etc etc etc).
And he certainly doesn't know what's best for this country. As usual the Tories are forgetting about their promises on public services and improving things for everyone, and turning to their two favourite obsessions and object of all their hatred: immigration and Europe.
And errr... there's not such thing as ''Europe's objective''. Europe is a continent made up to some 50 countries. The EU is made of 15, soon to be 25 independent nations. None of those nations has expressed its desire to cease to exist as a country and become part of a new country called Europe.
Quit reading the S*n with its fantasy tales and horror stories if you really want to be informed of current affairs.
You're right here, I looked at their site earlier and it had both the yes & no arguments without any obvious bias.
Tabloid press is to informed debate what McDonalds is to nutrition.
There is a word for this. Guess which one...
A word has yet to be invented for your ignorance to politics and current affairs. Somehow i do not think a paper with headlines on David Beckcam can give someone the information they need in order to take part in an informed political debate. Read a broadsheet then come back.
so why not atleast back up your arguments with articles from those? Instead of the lies that are printed in the tabloid
The paper prints fiction! I don't think anyone has suggested a United States of Europe since Winston Churchill after World War 2! Except for the editors of your choice of "newspaper" of course.
The other day for instance it said on the front page Tuesday, 13th April 2004 and it was indeed that date!
And your point is?
Do you want me to explain to you what the EU Constitution is? Well, rather, I can tell you what it is not: it is not about a 'United States of Europe'.
There is no such thing as a 'United States of Europe.'
There have never been plans for a 'United States of Europe'.
Get it in your head.
The intergration is to enable the countries of Europe to work together in order to use their collective weights in world affairs both ecomically and politically with for emphisis on the former.
Where does it say a united states is the aim? In the Murdoch press? :rolleyes:
May i suggest you read this it is a balanced debate with articles of the constitution in it. Tell me where the constitution mentions a 'United States Of Europe'
THEY ARE ARTICLES FROM THE CONSTITUTION YOU FOOL
If you know then, you avoided my question. Tell me where the constitution mentions a 'United States of Europe'
and we dont want to be independant do we, surely thats what the constitution is for
PS I am disgusted to think that you would interpret a S*n poll as representing the views of 'Brits'.
I feel sure I am as 'ritish' as any S*n reader yet probably have a different opinion on almost every major issue, weird!
It is long over due and i hope that in the end sensible debate will win not xenophobic right wing drum bashing that the tabloids take some much delight in doing
Ask your beloved master Rupert 'the tax-dodging Dirty Digger' Murdoch. He's the one ultimately responsible for forcing a referendum.
I would highly recommend people read this article, it presents the view of both the pro-Europe and Euro sceptic camps on the 'top ten points of contention' in a really straightforward and factual way...
Cheers Renzo!!
What do you think will be the turnout for this referendum?
My guess is that it will be less than the combined daily readership of the S*n, the Mail, the Express and the Telegraph. If this is so I hope they will admit that they are knobs and shut up in the future.........
No it is not. Go and read the article. And brits don't know this, the xenophobic right wing press wants you to beleive it.
if you don't want to read crap then throw your pathetic little tabloids away.:rolleyes:
If we are out of Europe we will fail to function on the world stage, can you not see that?
Did you not take note of LadyJade giving her approvals to the article?
I thought it was a good balanced view. Just as you criticise everyone for dismissing the tabloids out of hand, lukesh, you yourself dismiss the Guardian. I seem to remember you agreeing recently that all reporting is biased one way or another - surely the important thing is to process the information from a variety of sources, with that in mind?
Rubbish.
For the same reason most newspapers choose to spell 'fuck' like this: f**k or wanker like this: w*****rs.
Because it is a foul offensive word that causes great offence.
Oh yes they do.
Of course it is. People like you can join the racists, purists, xenophobes and homophobes of this country and emigrate together to a desert island. We'll even let you call it 'New Britannia' or something like that, and in there you can live in perfect pure harmony for ever after and free of all those evil asylum seekers, gypsies and Europeans.
Or you could emigrate to America and apply for a job with News International.
And whereas you might not be racist, I suspect the great majority of people willing to move to the said island would be.
This anti-Euro-stuff is a nice proof that Right-wing guys are right sometimes. While anti-war protesters confirm Lefties are right too…
To Lukesh.
‘Sun’ can’t be a Bible! Excuse me but saying this is like a blasphemy. If you are a Christian you shouldn’t say such things.
PS Did you ever read that Giscard’s masterpiece you intend to vote for or against? Stalin would swallow his pipe from envy…
You don't even know what you mean by that. I get the feeling you're just repeating stuff you've heard your dad say.
I can just see the irony in your comments then.
In either case being suggested we would retain our head of state.
Funnily enough, the same head of state that your little country has...
What political agenda in particular? And why don't you like it?