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Police not responding to 999s

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Now the area I live in suffers a lot of car crime, mainly break-ins. The other day I'm putting the bin out when a car comes zooming round the corner, handbrake turns and then stops by knocking into a bin. I go round and have a look and theres about six kids stood round it, youngest about 12, oldest 17 max.

I don't recognise them as residents, they are driving recklessly around my estate and the cars well overloaded plus I had serious doubts about the driver being old enough and the legal owner of the car. So I call the OB. They tell me after numerous questions they will be round immediately...

Twenty minutes later I go out and have a look, kids still mooching about the car, no OB. Get back on the phone tell them and I'm told they are still on their way. Well that was about ten days ago and no visit, no phonecall, nothing. What really pisses me off is that I assumed they would want to speak to me and stayed up waiting, also if they weren't coming why not just say 'we're not interested' ?

Is this standard now in your areas, as the last two incidents I've reported have not been attended? What is the point of all this crimestoppers crap if they are not interested in stopping crimes?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I bet if it was a posh area, they'd be round like a shot.
    Thats my experience anyway.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    a female near nieghbour of mine phoned the OB in absolute panick cos two pissed teenagers were in her back garden throwing the dustbin at the back door and kitchen window screaming threats at her. the old bill never arrived ...and this is a nice area thankyou.
    i've had numerous problems with people breaking into sheds i own ...the old bill never turn up. apart from a few months ago when i cuaght one and smaked him in the face with a pick axe handle. no witnesses so i got away with protecting my own property.
    i handed in a computor which i know contains child porn ...that must have been around october ...not one person has been questioned or interviewed or asked for a statement.
    ...and whowhere as a copper dares to make statements that people who don't pay their taxes won't be getting any help from the police! presumably ...most of us are down as tax dodging scum who don't deserve help from the police.
    what do they fucking do ...?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Is you saying I is living in the ghetto? ;)
    Its a pretty quiet suburban part of town. I could have told them I was heading outside with a baseball bat which would have got them round pronto but was trying to be the law-abiding citizen.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BlackArab
    Is you saying I is living in the ghetto? ;)
    Its a pretty quiet suburban part of town. I could have told them I was heading outside with a baseball bat which would have got them round pronto but was trying to be the law-abiding citizen.
    i think it came up in a discussion on here ...where someone said that the only way to get them to call is if you say you 'think' the guy is carrying a gun.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    i think it came up in a discussion on here ...where someone said that the only way to get them to call is if you say you 'think' the guy is carrying a gun.

    The other which I was forced to use once is to tell them quite calmly that if they don't turn up you will take the law into your own hands. That resulted in two of them including a senior officer coming round to sort it out. You shouldn't have to go to those extremes and its nothing something I would recommend but I was at the end of my tether in that incidence.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It really must depend on the area you live in.
    Round here if a red job appears (persons at scene) everyone drops what they're doing and goes to it so something like people in your back garden would be attended.
    Burglaries where the criminal has left the scene aren't urgent, no matter what the resident might think. there's no way we can catch the criminal immediately so it's better to send the scenes of crime officer a day or two later who can also take a statement.

    As for going after a car with kids in it, blues and 2's are a bit of a giveaway that we're coming, and with all the crap we get from the media and the left wingers about high speed car chases it's not worth it.
    Now you're seeing the result.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere
    so it's better to send the scenes of crime officer a day or two later who can also take a statement.

    By which time the family will have cleaned their house and repaired the damaged windows etc to prevent more break-ins. Talk about loss of evidence...

    Policing has become more of a problem the older I get. Crime prevention seems to have gone out the window, at the expense of motorists (who are criminals I know) and in a effort to avoid being labelled as "institutionally racist". It's sad.

    We have a village bobby, which is nice. Except it takes him a week to come round if you report anything...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In my opinion, the police force in general seem to think Joe Public is there to answer to them, unless a member of public has done something wrong, it's the other way round, the police are answerable to the public. They're a law unto themselves.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere
    It really must depend on the area you live in.
    Round here if a red job appears (persons at scene) everyone drops what they're doing and goes to it so something like people in your back garden would be attended.
    Burglaries where the criminal has left the scene aren't urgent, no matter what the resident might think. there's no way we can catch the criminal immediately so it's better to send the scenes of crime officer a day or two later who can also take a statement.

    As for going after a car with kids in it, blues and 2's are a bit of a giveaway that we're coming, and with all the crap we get from the media and the left wingers about high speed car chases it's not worth it.
    Now you're seeing the result.

    The thing is Whowhere, the car was parked and the kids were outside it hanging around which I told the police. As it is the likely outcome is after trying twice now to report crimes and getting no response, what incentive do I have if I see another crime going on to report that? The police keep telling us they need our help but yet theres no interest when we do, what kind of message is that?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well, in my area nobody really trusts the police... basically because they do bugger all. I mean for some of them it's a power trip, maybe they get paid a little more than a lot of people in this area... maybe they just love the status.

    Either way, in all honesty I'd never trust the police, or get involved with them again.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    pot luck on this one, i think.

    my parents live in a 'nice' area of leeds, and every time they've called the police (even on the non-emergency number), they've been round pretty quickly.

    and at the moment i am living in a pretty deprived area of wakefield, and when we were burgled a few weeks ago, i called them on the non-emergency number and we had a policeman round at our house within 30 minutes.

    so i think it's maybe more to do with the area you live in, and not just whether it's 'rich' or 'poor'.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Strangely, A few years ago if you rang the police they wouldnt come near this area but i have to admit that there responce times are far better now than any other point since i moved to this area... Surely a 30 minute / 1 hour wait is better than them not coming at all, In saying that when we have really needed them during times of a disturbance with our neighbours from hell they have occasionally been a bit crap at resonding, but id say i agree with the area thing, it does seem to depend on your area (here at least) and also what your actually reporting. The thing is that it does seem like you have to totally exagerate sometimes before you get any response at all from the police.

    I suppose its all to do with staffing and how important your "incident" actually is and how its affecting whats going on.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent
    By which time the family will have cleaned their house and repaired the damaged windows etc to prevent more break-ins. Talk about loss of evidence...

    that doesn't matter anymore as the police very very rarely take prints these days and never from a stolen car ...unless it is suspected of being involved in more than being nicked.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Anyone one know why not?

    Call me Mr Naive but wouldn't that help detection of the criminals responsible?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sadly, with most cases of "Antisocial" behaviour, the offenders are too young to prosecute or get the proverbial "slap on the wrist". I'm sure the police are frustrated that they can't do anything about it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What the cops round my area used to do before the ways and means act came in.
    If they had kids giving them lip they'd go back in a transit van, pick them up and drop them off 3 miles away in the countryside.

    It taught them that they'd only get respect if they gave it back, and from what I've heard it worked a lot better than any ASBO could.

    They also told me a story of what happens when citizens realise the police's hands are tied with most things.
    One night a known car thief living in a childrens home had nicked one too many cars.
    That night the local hardmen stormed the home, kidnapped the kid and bundled him into a transit van.
    The next day he was found tied to a goalpost, naked with CAR THIEF written across his chest, crying like a baby.
    He never stole another car.

    They're counting the hours before it happens again, because we, and the law abiding are sick of kids running riot.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Braineater
    Sadly, with most cases of "Antisocial" behaviour, the offenders are too young to prosecute or get the proverbial "slap on the wrist". I'm sure the police are frustrated that they can't do anything about it.

    Or they just don't want to spend too much money on putting them through courts.

    As for respect Whowhere, I've met some pretty disrespectful coppers... I mean from my experience and a lot of people in my area will agree with me, they don't like rockers. Alledgedly they're homophobic too... But I've had some be very rude to me, so why should I respect them? Why should anybody put their trust in a force that is always letting us down? (In my area I mean)

    There's respect for us as human beings yes, but some coppers I've met have appeared as if they're above low lives like myself and my friends. But hey, at least they've appologised for two of the three occasions they've let my family down.

    I don't believe many of them really care for our safety, all most of them seem to want to do is be all self-righteous and arrest and 'teach' 'disrespectful' people a lesson or check cars... which I see more as a weakness in a force, not a respect for human life.

    But then that's my opinion and the opinion of a few people I know.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i used to get stopped and searched by the police on a regular basis if i was out after 10pm with a group of mates. the stock excuse for searching us was always ''there's been a lot of burglary's in this area '' which was utter bollocks, i knew they were just wasting 20 minutes or so and making their presence known. mind you i think they do a good job on the whole and they are dictated to by blunkett and their other political masters.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    mind you i think they do a good job on the whole

    :eek2: I don't.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent
    Anyone one know why not?

    Call me Mr Naive but wouldn't that help detection of the criminals responsible?
    MOK ...its been like this for nearly 20yrs ...it's simply to expensive.
    hard to believe i know but ...report a crime at your house and you will be seriously pissed off at the lack of anything being done.
    the victorians would print for anything ...now ...too many crimes.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Here's a tale from sunny southampton.

    Car gets nicked in a bad area, OB called and do not attend.

    Later another car theft reported in a nice area, OB round like a shot. To find car from bad area parked next to where car from good area used to be.

    Both the owners knew each other.

    Still nothing was done.

    I love the police
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    one thing i would like to qualify my last post with.

    I have no idea as to the state of police resources and so i cant really make any other comment apart from the fact that it seems i hear far too many of these incidents.

    But be thankful you can call the police.

    Try living in Rio De Janiero.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by J
    Why not follow Whowhere's lead and become a special or a community support officer?
    Everyone seems to be moaning, nothing seems to be getting done, although when I look everyone seems to be moaning and nothing seems to be getting done. Maybe this is the problem?
    I'd love to join the specials and help out, unfortunately I have a string of drinking related offenses (a typical John) so can't.
    Yeah, fair enough, maybe it shouldn't ever get this bad, but if we have the opportunity to stop it getting any worse then why not, it's only a couple of hours of our time for Christs sake!
    Maybe instead I will donate a few hours of time helping out at the local sea cadet unit helping to guide the next generation, whilst some others help sort out this one, if we all did this life would be grand and we might even get the olympics as a celebration of our achievments.
    I don't know, I'm the kind of guy whos guts are being ripped open these days, and I try to fix that with my "fantastic" ideas that sound as if they are coming from a 7 year old.

    You could still appy for PCSO mate. Security checks on criminal records aren't as stringent as they are for the regulars.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    MOK ...its been like this for nearly 20yrs ...it's simply to expensive.
    hard to believe i know but ...report a crime at your house and you will be seriously pissed off at the lack of anything being done.
    the victorians would print for anything ...now ...too many crimes.

    It's a joke really then.

    Having worked with some former copers I understood that they knew who the crimals were - generally - but often lacked enough evidence to convict. Surely therefore it would be an idea to collect such evidence :confused:

    How much does it cost to continually attend burglaries which could be reduced by arresting the criminals earlier...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Here they just put you on hold...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Crimes get ignored and this guy got dragged through the courts:mad:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/3454039.stm
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