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Do you think Tv programs should show cetain distressing situations eg rape or sexual assault on tv?
personly I think it's horrible and should never be portrayed on the screen.. people could find the sisuation distrubing and in my opinion people getting entertained out of watching this are sick.. how can someone sit there and watch the story line about people who get raped on tv. For example in easterenders
In some way it can help as it can inform people about real life sisuation and it's to do with real life sisuations that do happen.
I still think it shouldn't be shown on tv? your opinions?
personly I think it's horrible and should never be portrayed on the screen.. people could find the sisuation distrubing and in my opinion people getting entertained out of watching this are sick.. how can someone sit there and watch the story line about people who get raped on tv. For example in easterenders
In some way it can help as it can inform people about real life sisuation and it's to do with real life sisuations that do happen.
I still think it shouldn't be shown on tv? your opinions?
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take the woman who took photos of her own children in the nude and then displayed them. She didn't do it for anything other than artistic reasons but the media called her a paedophile.
You can never account for other peoples interpretation of what they see on screen but that doesn't make it the programme makers fault!
Well to be honest I doubt that many people sit there being "entertained" by such scenes.
The programmes are merely reflecting things that happen in real life. Would you prefer that everything happens in a rose-coloured bubble?
Maybe the tv should just show cartoons all day, or is the violence too much in them, too?
Why not? We're already a nation of pussies and overly sheltered. As long as it's not distastefully explicit and that it is realistic in a discreet kinda way... Maybe then people will be aware of just how real such situations are? or maybe they'll become afraid and the media will sensationalise every rape incident like it does to paedophilia.
Hrm... I read somewhere that Japan has a lower rate of sex crimes, as does Holland. I mean anybody familiar with japanese films and some of their entertainment would know that we're pretty damn innocent compared to the content of what they show over there.
I'm not against showing distressing things on television, as a society I don't believe we should be tricked in to believing that we live in a Eutopia and at the same time... it's only actors.
"I sat through your whole show and I thought it was terrible"
Turn the bloody thing off!!!
I can see the point that if it is done only to shock then maybe it is in poor taste, and Eastenders isnt on that late.
However, these things do happen and maybe if it was done well it might show people what it was like and get them thinking, which can only be a good thing.
I wouldnt make comparisons between ourselves and the Japanese, or the Dutch, those sorts of cross culture comparisons are always somewhat pointless. There are dozens if not thousands of reasons why the Japanese may or may not have lower (reported) sex crime rates.
I have problems with needless violence just in for titillation, because violence should not be used for entertainment. I think especially of Kill Bill and the rape in Hollow Man, which was seemingly only put in to show off the actress' breasts.
Rape happens in real life, and we all agree it shouldn't, but it still does. Incidents like rapes in soaps are reported on for days beforehand, so if you are likely to be upset by it you shouldn't watch it. So long as there is a reason for the violence then it is acceptable, though there should be warnings before programmes and the watershed should be more rigidly adhered to.
Now, if ever there was something designed to ensure that teenage boys watched a film...
I aint got a prob with viloence.. god.. I love films like Black hawk down and phantasm and all that... but I personly don't like scenes of sexual assult of rape on tv. it's just my opinion really..
BUT, in some cases it can add to the drama and show really how horrid the crime is. I remember seeing a Cracker years ago where there was a rapist, and with that you really got a feel for the horror of it. Deeply moving stuff, though a bit dark for my tastes really.
the problem i particularly have with rape being shown on television is when you get a feeling it is just being shown for ratings. In a way it is like Ulrika Jonnson using the whole rape issue to sell her autobiography - getting it in the open, getting a furore about it then distancing herself from it - that really riled me - she did far more damage to rape victims than good.
It would take something quite bad to be censored on modern TV. We're talking way beyond rape.
taboos are being pushed all the time, we're going to go into a state where nothing shocks us.
But then I don't even think sex scenes are necessary, if people want to watch porn, watch porn but don't put it on mainstream TV. I would have preferred it like the old days when the man and women got into bed and it all faded out....do we really NEED to see their sweaty bodies and simulataneous orgasms?
i am a big fan of eastenders and that storyline with little Mo getting raped was so moving and complteley shocking. it demonstrated how a woman can be raped by someone she knows, by being groomed to have a level of trust with that man.
it certainly opened my eyes to how these things can happen by someone you know and not just by walking alone at night. making people aware can only be a good thing.
the rape in hollow man for example was competley unnecessary. i think eastenders did the rape storyline really well though and didn't actually show the rape, just before and after and yet still had a really powerful effect.
You have no idea how much movies are censored and butchered. Even today, even with 18 certificate films, the fucking censors think they should preserve our purity and innocency by cutting violent scenes from movies everywhere. Often you only come to realise this when you watch the same movie in the Continent and realise there are extra bits you hadn't seen here.
The same goes for nudity. This country still has a massive issue with the human body and even something as natural and harmless as a breast is given the watershed treatment.
In the Continent female breasts can be seen at any time of the day on TV, not only in movies but also in ads (mostly deodorants, beauty products and the likes). Yet here nipples are still airbrushed, lest we corrupt and shock our children. :rolleyes:
if even one woman thinks 'it's ok for me to go to the police cause little mo went to the police', then i think it's worth it, to be honest.
I see your point and I agree.. but like lipsy the rape in the hollow man was un needed and sick
I said that first, y'know;)
Aladdin- I think you are right and wrong. About the naked body you are right, mostly- the attitude to it is warped. It is wrong to show nipples on bra models and in deodorant adverts, but then The Sun can have girls with their tits out plastered all over it going "phwoooar nice knockers pet!"
Violence is right to be cut out in a lot of cases, though. There is no place for the amount of violence there is in films, and the amount of violence, particularly against women, is so disturbing that the United Nations are having to resort to campaigning to get the vioelnce and the mysogyny toned down. The UK attitude to violence is right- there is no need for a lot of the violence that there is in films, because it is violence for violences' sake.
It still makes me laugh that the UK film board allow the grotesque violence like in many Tarantino films, but that they still insist on the "Mull of Kintyre" rule for showing aroused naked men. Sex is bad, but killing people is good- great attitude to give to the kids.
What shape is the Mull of Kintyre?
The man's penis can't be shown at an angle greater than the angle between the Mull of Kintyre and the Scottish mainland.
I'll leave you to imagine it;)
It no longer applies.
The BBFC will grant age ratings of 18 to films that include erect members, ejacualtion, oral sex and full sex when they feel that it is not being presented just for pornographic reasons.
Any film that simply wants to be porn will be given a restricted-18 rating that will allow it to be sold in registered sex shops. This is also being used by some non-porn filmmakers to release un-edited versions of films - often providing information on the nearest sex shop to customers.
R-18 films are edited to remove certain acts that I've no interest in describing here, you can find the details of the complete ratings guideline at the website - British board of film classification
As regards the point of this thread - sexual violence is heavily edited in this country. Certain scenes from films such as Death Wish 2, Last House on the Left remain edited. Television guidelines also restrict all scenes of sexual violence - the BBC famously got themselves in serious trouble for not putting a warning before the Twin Peaks episode where Laura Palmer's cousin was killed.
The BBFC site also details all cuts to films made in recent years - you may find that many film companies that like to claim they have been heavily censored have not been cut by more than a few seconds - but he helps sell films.
As an aside, the BBFC are currently reviewing the ratings guidelines and I'll take a guess to say that all cinema and video age ratings, except R-18, will become Advisory (like 12-a in the cinema where a parent can choose to take a minor to any film.) This will bring certification in line with the American system.
Also worth considering that whilst compared to Europe TV is heavily 'watersheded' compared to American Networks there is far more sex on terrestial television.
I'm also thinking moraly it's wrong I'd never stick my kids(if and when I have any) through some of those programs.
And whereas the needle scene in question might not be of great artistic value others scenes are in other movies are. And the fact remains that works of art are mutilated and butchered in this country for no good reason whatsoever out of the stupid nanny state mentality that prevails today. Films should be shown as the director intended them. Reclassify the ratings if we need. Introduce 18+, 18++ and so on so people know what kind of violence to expect. But I refuse to be told I cannot watch certain scenes by a bunch of deluded censors who have no grasp of the real world and no right to determine what I can or cannot watch.
i have never sent a text ...i hate phones of any kind.
watching arnold egg and bacon burger type of mass killings by one man sort of films realy turns me off. i do not see violence as entertaining but then i've maybe seen to much in real life.
i have been to see the lord of the ring films and plenty of violence in them but as a rule ...film, telly and celebrity are of little intest to me.
Don't they already have something along those lines with R-18?
Violence breeds violence. Much as Hollywood likes to pretend that it doesn't, it does. To be quite honest, I would rather agree with the United Nations than I would Hollywood- and the United Nations is deeply concerned bvy the levels of violence in films and computer games, especially against women victims.
Kill Bill is not a "work of art". Nor is Pulp Fiction, nor is Hollow Man. No matter what thugs like Tarantino try and say, it is just an orgy of violence and blood without anything even remotely approaching artistic merit.
The best filnms don't have bloodfests, they imply it- that's why Hitchcock scares me, whilst many other films make me laugh.
I refer again to the United Nations campaign to clean up films because it has been shown that violence towards females without any reason, such as in Hollow Man (a truly diabolical film by the way), re-inforces mysogynistic attitudes and perpetuates violence.
Generally I don't like "nanny state" attitudes- I certainly don't think sexual content should be as restricted as it is- but sometimes the protectionist attitude is right. It may be unfashionable to claim it, but a lot of psychologists blame the pointless violence of a lot of films for the pointless violence in society; maybe people would do it anyway, but showing it as entertainment reinforces the message that the violence doesn't matter, that killing people is just a useful way of getting your own way. Especially when the victim is female.
I haven't seen Kill Bill or Hollow Man, but I have seen Pulp Fiction, and its a classic film. It is not "an orgy of violence", its a genuinely clever and funny film. The violence is cartoon violence and the dialogue is very clever, the way it makes you laugh when they accidentally shoot the bloke in the back of the car is brilliant.
Have you actually seen it? It doesn't sound like it.
I however agree with you about specific types of violence. I am aware that there is a big problem worldwide with the mistreatment of women and children, and if experts believe certain imagery in films is contributing to it then it should be cut.