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Universal rights?

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Should rights be universal in nature?

Or should rights be subject to the society one lives in?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    A question of "should" has little relevence to the real world anyway. We're not going to change anything.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Shit, that answers my question...:rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    Shit, that answers my question...:rolleyes:

    What is your question, youve lost me :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    You can read can't you? :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    You can read can't you? :p

    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
    No need to be so patronising. Not her fault if she can't make sense of your posting style that has led to your new nickname of Monocrap, especially when she actually posts well and responds to questions others put to her... Monocrap. :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm 'patronising' because my statement was clear.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    I'm 'patronising' because my statement was clear.

    No your question is not clear, so tell me what the hell your asking?

    Shit is that too hard for you to do? you knew I didnt understand the question so you decided to try and take the piss :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    :no: :no:

    I simply asked if rights should be universal in nature, or whether a person's rights should be dependent on the society in which they live.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Universal rights?
    Originally posted by monocrat
    Should rights be universal in nature?
    Yes they should.
    Originally posted by monocrat
    Or should rights be subject to the society one lives in?
    No, they shouldn't.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Any explanation as to why?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    :no: :no:

    I simply asked if rights should be universal in nature, or whether a person's rights should be dependent on the society in which they live.

    :eek: :eek: :eek: Oh my god! Monocrat answered a question!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    for fucks sake will someone help me here :lol:

    what the fuck does he wanna know :lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I give up. :lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    Any explanation as to why?
    No. You never give any reasons other than the same tripe about infringing the rights of others, blah blah blah.

    Becky - ignore him.

    What He would like to know is, do you think that all humans deserve the same rights, or should their rights differ depending on their society?

    For example, in our society (the western world) we have the rights to free speech, but in some nations they don't. Is that fair? It could be argued that no of course that is not fair, but some people say we do not have the right to impose our own laws on others.

    Take a tribal society. Perhaps their law states that women are pocessions of their men and should do everything they say. However, in our nation we would find that silly. Women have equal rights to men but in their society they don't. Some people would say that the people in those societies have lived by those rules and will continue to and we should not enforce our own ideals of what constitutes a person's rights on another society. Does this make more sense? He wants to know if our "civilised" society is really in any position to impose our morals on others who don't follow ours - can we really decide what "rights" everyone should have, because they may go against what their society sees as "right". Meh, hope this makes more sense?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    I give up. :lol:

    Ok what rights are we talking about, hell there are millions?

    Explain yourself then you might just get replies :rolleyes:

    Like are we talking about freedom of speech? freedom to come and go as we please? freedom to break the law?

    Come on help me out :lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BumbleBee
    Becky - ignore him.

    NO !!!!!!! I like taking the piss outta him :p

    and thanks for helping me out :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    Ok what rights are we talking about, hell there are millions?

    Explain yourself then you might just get replies :rolleyes:

    Like are we talking about freedom of speech? freedom to come and go as we please? freedom to break the law?

    Come on help me out :lol:

    Well there is no established right of 'freedom to break the law', as far as I know of.

    I was referring to natural or human rights, which are supposed to be universal in application.

    The principle opposition to universal rights is that a person's rights should be determined by the society in which they live.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BumbleBee
    No. You never give any reasons other than the same tripe about infringing the rights of others, blah blah blah.




    Who are you to state what I can believe?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    Who are you to state what I can believe?

    ah tis ok thats our Simone :)

    and she has every right to state her opinion, just like you do. Only she explains herself a little bit better than you do.............just a little bit like :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    Well there is no established right of 'freedom to break the law', as far as I know of.

    what about drink driving? you say thats ok unless your caught :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My opinion isn't fact. :)

    Drink driving is wrong because of potential harm caused. I think only ACTUAL harm from drink driving should be prosecuted.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    Well there is no established right of 'freedom to break the law', as far as I know of.
    But, according to your law there should be. If you had your way, nothing would be illegal unless it infringed the rights of another person.

    Also, show me where I told you what to believe. You are making it up as you go along. I seriously doubt your age sometimes. You are like an argumentative five year old - you stamp your feet making the same point over and over again. And nobody cares.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    Drink driving is wrong because of potential harm caused. I think only ACTUAL harm from drink driving should be prosecuted.
    What about near misses? Say someone loses control of their vehicle and hits a lamp post but only missed the person standing next to it because they jumped out of the way. Is it ok to patch the drink driver up and send them on their merry way.

    It is quite obvious that you have never been the victim of anything tragic because your views of the world are so blinkered and so naive. You have very little grasp on reality, and I think you have taken your philosophy and decided that even though in practice no philosophy can work, you will stick to it no matter what.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    My opinion isn't fact. :)

    no its just a fecking joke :lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat

    Drink driving is wrong because of potential harm caused.

    No Drink Driving is breaking the law :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BumbleBee

    It is quite obvious that you have never been the victim of anything tragic because your views of the world are so blinkered and so naive. You have very little grasp on reality, and I think you have taken your philosophy and decided that even though in practice no philosophy can work, you will stick to it no matter what.

    And I get criticised for making unsubstantiated remarks? :lol::lol:

    How do you know for sure that nothing 'tragic' has happened to me?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BumbleBee
    But, according to your law there should be. If you had your way, nothing would be illegal unless it infringed the rights of another person.

    Yes. I think victimless crimes should be legal.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat

    I was referring to natural or human rights, which are supposed to be universal in application.

    The principle opposition to universal rights is that a person's rights should be determined by the society in which they live.
    The Code of Human Rights is intended to be universal, and has been written with the intention of covering every conceivable circumstance.

    However, it has been ratified by less than half countries that have signed it (and the US has now effectively withdrawn it's signature) so I guess sovereignty counts for more than the notion of one world under the same sky.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    How do you know for sure that nothing 'tragic' has happened to me?
    You wouldn't be such a nob about things sucj as drink driving, and gun ownership. You come across as a middle class snob who is far too preoccupied with ideas and philosophies than with living life and experiencing real things. You would see quite soon how stupid some of your notions really are.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BumbleBee
    You wouldn't be such a nob about things sucj as drink driving, and gun ownership. You come across as a middle class snob who is far too preoccupied with ideas and philosophies than with living life and experiencing real things. You would see quite soon how stupid some of your notions really are.

    My notions aren't stupid at all.
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