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'Killing is wrong'.....
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Is it really? In every conceivable instance?
Was it 'wrong' for an American soldier to kill a member of the Republican Guard in the war in Iraq?
Is it 'wrong' to kill in self-defence?
Was it 'wrong' for an American soldier to kill a member of the Republican Guard in the war in Iraq?
Is it 'wrong' to kill in self-defence?
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no.
Not in all cases. If the other person has the intention to kill you, then no, I don't think it is wrong that in the course of self defence you kill them. However, if you're bing mugged or something and you kill your attacker, then I think that is wrong.
Even the Church states that it isn't "wrong" to kill in defence of your country, as long as the war is just. There are a lot of criteria to determine whether a war is just, and I very much doubt the war in Iraq would qualify. But that is just the Church's opinion.
It doesn't say "thou shalt not kill....with the following exceptions".
yes, some circumstances would require someone to kill, however some of these circumstances, are still murder. To the Americans a soldier being killed by a US marine isn't murder. To the family of that soldier it would be.
I personally don't believe I could willingly kill someone. I could beat someone within an inch of their life, but I wouldn't kill anyone, which is one reason why i have chosen to join the police and not the armed forces.
Of course it isn't wrong to kill in self defence if your life is in danger, but not if you're in a playground school fight!
It depends how you look at it, to some the word would just be a technicality, or an excuse for your behaviour. yes, killing is a necessity sometimes, and often unavoidable. It doesn't make it right which is what this discussion is about.
I think capital punishment is wrong.
Is that the excuse used by the Christian Republicans in America to justify the death penalty Clan?
Its not just Republicans who advocate the death penalty Al. We got Christian fundamentalists amongst more conservative Democrats too unfortunately.
Nevertheless, its not so much this verse that is used to justify capital punishment, there are other passages that refer to forfeiting one's life for willfully taking another's in the old testament.
They also often use Paul's injunctions in the Book of Romans as well, but that requires reading a bit into the text that is not clearly referring to death penalty itself.
Here's an interesting rebuttal of the fundamentalist pro-death penalty argument...
http://www.rtis.com/touchstone/april00/06BIBLE.HTM
and another...
http://www.lampofhope.org/tdrj7h.html
Im sure quite a few who arent interested in religious views will nonetheless find it handy to know how to respond to fundamentalists by pointing out their faulty and patchwork use of biblical passages to justify their support for what is actually nothing more than state sponsored retaliatory murder.
Indeed, as human beings we have an instinct to kill in order to protect ourselves and our kin.
Say you're out on the battlefield in some dingy war and somebody runs at you with a gun, yeah, shoot 'em. 'Cause at the end of the day you're protecting your home land, friends and your own life. It's only natural...
However, on the other hand, I wouldn't participate in any war because of my own moral values. the definition of a "just war" is too ambigious and there's always corruption on both sides.
As for the death penalty... maybe people could vote on whether this person is executed?
Because the government is corrupt as it is.
I don't like killing, but if the death penalty must exist, at least make it democratic and give the votes the whole truth (and keep it as far away from the Uk as poss)
I think voting for the death penalty and who receives it will not result in anything more than a media furore every time someone was on trial! Who would report it? Noboy who wasn't subjective in some way.
I don't think people should be allowed to vote on whether someone should be put to death. As it has been demonstrated many times both here and abroad, the masses are easily manipulated and rags like The S*n would end up as judge, jury and executioner in this country.
The death penalty is about the fundamental issue of whether the State has the right to end a human life, regardless of what their crimes might have been. I firmly believe no-one should have the right to end another person's life, and governments that carry the death penalty are as hideous and criminal as the murderers they are executing.
There's no doubt in my mind that because of what Iraq had become and because of the enemy we made in Saddam, that we are right to go in there and create a democracy for millions of Muslims and kill extremists who stand in the way and for terrorism.
Hmmm
McDonalds new line:
"The Al-Qaeda Quarter Pounder"
A quarter pound of terrorist served with some slightly manky lettuce, a dab of mayo, something which looks like ketchup (but you can never be sure, can you), some huge chunks of onion (to disguise the taste) and a couple of those pickled green things (which no-one can identify for certain)...